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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 17:37:14 GMT -6
I apologize as well. But it seems like you were adding drama and then saying don't reply. We are fully aware that Randall was not the only villain in MI, but this thread was about Randall, not Waternoose. I also agree with toxicdolls as well. The Monsters play set was set in MU, meaning Randall was not a villain. Randall is a main character and an important character in the series and he was also a last minute addition due to his popularity. There is also no room for Randall in merch. He is a popular character, yes, but it's all about Mike and Sulley. The other villains Disney and Pixar have are popular, but they also don't get much merch. (There's always more merch in Disneyland tho.) It's just the Disney/Pixar way. They make merch for the villains but not much. And now that the series has gone this far, there's not much room for Randall and making him an ally or having him redeemed just won't make much sense since they already established him as villain. I'm not so sure about that. I've spent sleepless night trying to simply find a t-shirt with Randall on it, but I couldn't even find one. Instead I found a good three dozen different T's with Mike and Sulley alone on them. A lot of the shirt even looked pretty similar to each other with very minuscule differences. If they have enough room to make a bazillion different t-shirts that all look alike, I'm sure they could make a shirt with Randall or two on them. It's just cheaper to make a few shirts with over used Mike and Sulley poses on them, rather then investing in more vectors and designs for lesser know characters. Kids want who they recognize unfortunately, so there wont be much demand for Johnny or Randall stuff
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 17:47:55 GMT -6
Sorry XD I have been posting to much here, so I'm gunna shush up :X
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 17:59:08 GMT -6
No, your fine. Your right too. Along with Randall, I would love to have a t-shirt with Lock, Shock and Barrel on the front. There's too many Jack's XDDD
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 18:02:08 GMT -6
I'm not so sure about that. I've spent sleepless night trying to simply find a t-shirt with Randall on it, but I couldn't even find one. Instead I found a good three dozen different T's with Mike and Sulley alone on them. A lot of the shirt even looked pretty similar to each other with very minuscule differences. If they have enough room to make a bazillion different t-shirts that all look alike, I'm sure they could make a shirt with Randall or two on them. It's just cheaper to make a few shirts with over used Mike and Sulley poses on them, rather then investing in more vectors and designs for lesser know characters. Kids want who they recognize unfortunately, so there wont be much demand for Johnny or Randall stuff Without adding fuel to the fire I have to say kids go nuts for Randall. Randall and Mike seem very popular with very young children in England at least, I'm talking 2 - 5 year olds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 18:04:10 GMT -6
It's just cheaper to make a few shirts with over used Mike and Sulley poses on them, rather then investing in more vectors and designs for lesser know characters. Kids want who they recognize unfortunately, so there wont be much demand for Johnny or Randall stuff Without adding fuel to the fire I have to say kids go nuts for Randall. Randall and Mike seem very popular with very young children in England at least, I'm talking 2 - 5 year olds. I've actually heard that he's more popular than both Sulley and Mike for all ages in Japan.
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Post by hopefulartist on Mar 18, 2014 20:06:15 GMT -6
I agree with you entirely, Anthro. Monsters University made Randall a well rounded character that way, not just some one time villain that wants to rule Monsters Inc. I heard there are going to be more installments for the Monsters, but I'm not sure. I would LOVE Randall to come back in a major role like Mike and Sulley and be redeemed somehow.
As for Monsters future merchandise, popularity within the character could make it happen. The more popular a character is the more merchandise, which makes sense, right? There could be a trio going on within the merchandise trend...winds of change! ~ There's even one or two MU kids shirts from Target featuring three of them already!
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 18, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -6
Thanks for that, hopefulartist. There is going to be at least one more movie; that much is almost certain from the information I have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 20:10:06 GMT -6
As for Monsters future merchandise, popularity within the character could make it happen. The more popular a character is the more merchandise, which makes sense, right? There could be a trio going on within the merchandise trend...winds of change! ~ There's even one or two MU kids shirts from Target featuring three of them already! This entirely. Randall is insanely popular, and any kind of Randall merchandise that gets made just flies off the shelves. They'd be crazy not to take advantage of that. I own one of those shirts, too!
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Post by conteremo on Mar 18, 2014 20:12:36 GMT -6
No, your fine. Your right too. Along with Randall, I would love to have a t-shirt with Lock, Shock and Barrel on the front. There's too many Jack's XDDD I feel the SAME way! Oogie Boogie is my favorite in NBC, but Oogie Boogie has hardly any Merch while Jack Skellington has literally Every.Freaking.thing you can think of! I can't even find an Oogie Boogie shirt, while Jack has millions of shirts, and hoodies, and pants, and socks, and pajamas. And Oogie Boogie is a pretty popular Disney antagonist/villain too! I second what someone said earlier, that it's normal for antagonists/villains to get less merch, no matter how popular they are. The only plus is that it does make collecting villainous/antagonistic characters more fun. I must say, however, Randy wasn't very bad at all in MU, he was even less bad than Johnny, so in MU's case it has to do with the fact that he was a secondary character. On the other hand, Randy got a lot more merch than some of the other secondary characters in MU, including Johnny, who actually, you know, played the main antagonist in that film. Just saying. I feel the need to emphasize what other people said, that Randall is highly popular. His Disney Infinity figure is one of, if not the, bestselling Disney Infinity figure; gamestop workers say they have trouble keeping him in stock, he sells so fast. Even in real life I only know people who like Randall best in MI. I loved Randall since I was a kid, and my brother also loves him, and my little cousin loves him best (a few weeks ago at Target I caught her with a Randall squishy figure and made her lead me to where she found it, and there was only ONE Randall squishy left whereas the tub was overflowing with Mikes and Sulleys, and I took that sucker). Randy's scare student figure sold out really fast too, and it's now harder to find than all the others. None of my local stores have it, and online it sells for $20 and up. You'd be even harder pressed to find Randall merchandise from Japan, despite the fact that they had more than the US, and even his egg stars figure is already discontinued...And Randall's plush sold out on the Disney Store really fast. Heck, even during MI's release he had several figures (normal-sized and mini), the build a Randall figure, and some stuffed animals, and he was pictured with Mike and Sulley a lot. I don't think the Mike and Sulley duo would be affected at all; throughout the first part of MU Randy was on better terms with Mike and around him more than Sulley, and even when Sulley figured more into the plot, the whole OK also had relationships with them...hardly duo material, until the end when Sulley chases after a bus for Mike and they go off alone. Randy's and the OK guys' relationships with them didn't negatively affect Mike and Sulley duo merch at all, I think anyone can see that. They're icons, regardless of what the movie's content actually is. There's a lot of merch with the whole OK too, not just Mike and Sulley, so I guess Disney/Pixar wasn't too concerned about it. I also remember seeing a thread a while back detailing merch, posters, and store set-ups that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randy together, and Randy with OK (and nobody else who wasn't in OK in the picture), and even three different shirts that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randall (those shirts are hard to find now, they used to be sold at Target in the children's section, and were girls' shirts, I might add. Larges and X-larges are hard to find because a lot of teenagers and adults bought them LOL). Here's some of them: www.ebay.com/itm/DISNEY-MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLY-GIRLS-GLITTER-TEE-SHIRT-NEW-/380691191189?pt=US_Childrens_Clothing_Girls&var=&hash=item58a2f69595www.ebay.com/itm/Disney-Pixar-Monsters-University-Shirt-/231165553920?pt=TV_Movie_Character_Toys_US&hash=item35d28a6d00This is one with Randy and Oozma Kappa, it's the gray shirt: www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLEY-Tees-T-shirt-Boys-Size-4-5-6-or-7-20-/350837206807?pt=US_Boys_Clothing&var=&hash=item51af86ef17Fabric from when the first movie came out: www.google.com/imgres?start=182&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=isch&tbnid=N8Pw4Yz1KkNglM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Flisting%2F153492896%2Fmonster-inc-boutique-boys-shirt-mike-and&docid=prNLHCLYwdgPrM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg0.etsystatic.com%2F012%2F0%2F5237203%2Fil_570xN.467609670_9ka3.jpg&w=570&h=428&ei=Y_IoU9-qO4rP2wXohYHoDA&zoom=1&ved=0CAwQhBwwATjIAQ&iact=rc&dur=400&page=9&ndsp=23www.ebay.com/itm/street-Punk-Comic-visual-Monster-Inc-all-stars-Mike-Wazowski-travelling-backpack-/271303405646?pt=US_CSA_MWA_Backpacks&hash=item3f2af1704eI just think merchandise would be the lamest excuse ever for them not to give Randall a chance to be on good terms with Mike and Sulley, or to not figure prominently into the next movie.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 20:23:07 GMT -6
No, your fine. Your right too. Along with Randall, I would love to have a t-shirt with Lock, Shock and Barrel on the front. There's too many Jack's XDDD I feel the SAME way! Oogie Boogie is my favorite in NBC, but Oogie Boogie has hardly any Merch while Jack Skellington has literally Every.Freaking.thing you can think of! I can't even find an Oogie Boogie shirt, while Jack has millions of shirts, and hoodies, and pants, and socks, and pajamas. And Oogie Boogie is a pretty popular Disney antagonist/villain too! I second what someone said earlier, that it's normal for antagonists/villains to get less merch, no matter how popular they are. The only plus is that it does make collecting villainous/antagonistic characters more fun. I must say, however, Randy wasn't very bad at all in MU, he was even less bad than Johnny, so in MU's case it has to do with the fact that he was a secondary character. On the other hand, Randy got a lot more merch than some of the other secondary characters in MU, including Johnny, who actually, you know, played the main antagonist in that film. Just saying. I feel the need to emphasize what other people said, that Randall is highly popular. His Disney Infinity figure is one of, if not the, bestselling Disney Infinity figure; gamestop workers say they have trouble keeping him in stock, he sells so fast. Even in real life I only know people who like Randall best in MI. I loved Randall since I was a kid, and my brother also loves him, and my little cousin loves him best (a few weeks ago at Target I caught her with a Randall squishy figure and made her lead me to where she found it, and there was only ONE Randall squishy left whereas the tub was overflowing with Mikes and Sulleys, and I took that sucker). Randy's scare student figure sold out really fast too, and it's now harder to find than all the others. None of my local stores have it, and online it sells for $20 and up. You'd be even harder pressed to find Randall merchandise from Japan, despite the fact that they had more than the US, and even his egg stars figure is already discontinued...And Randall's plush sold out on the Disney Store really fast. Heck, even during MI's release he had several figures (normal-sized and mini), the build a Randall figure, and some stuffed animals, and he was pictured with Mike and Sulley a lot. I don't think the Mike and Sulley duo would be affected at all; throughout the first part of MU Randy was on better terms with Mike and around him more than Sulley, and even when Sulley figured more into the plot, the whole OK also had relationships with them...hardly duo material, until the end when Sulley chases after a bus for Mike and they go off alone. Randy's and the OK guys' relationships with them didn't negatively affect Mike and Sulley duo merch at all, I think anyone can see that. They're icons, regardless of what the movie's content actually is. There's a lot of merch with the whole OK too, not just Mike and Sulley, so I guess Disney/Pixar wasn't too concerned about it. I also remember seeing a thread a while back detailing merch, posters, and store set-ups that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randy together, and Randy with OK (and nobody else who wasn't in OK in the picture), and even three different shirts that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randall (those shirts are hard to find now, they used to be sold at Target in the children's section, and were girls' shirts, I might add. Larges and X-larges are hard to find because a lot of teenagers and adults bought them LOL). Here's some of them: www.ebay.com/itm/DISNEY-MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLY-GIRLS-GLITTER-TEE-SHIRT-NEW-/380691191189?pt=US_Childrens_Clothing_Girls&var=&hash=item58a2f69595www.ebay.com/itm/Disney-Pixar-Monsters-University-Shirt-/231165553920?pt=TV_Movie_Character_Toys_US&hash=item35d28a6d00This is one with Randy and Oozma Kappa, it's the gray shirt: www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLEY-Tees-T-shirt-Boys-Size-4-5-6-or-7-20-/350837206807?pt=US_Boys_Clothing&var=&hash=item51af86ef17Fabric from when the first movie came out: www.google.com/imgres?start=182&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=isch&tbnid=N8Pw4Yz1KkNglM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Flisting%2F153492896%2Fmonster-inc-boutique-boys-shirt-mike-and&docid=prNLHCLYwdgPrM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg0.etsystatic.com%2F012%2F0%2F5237203%2Fil_570xN.467609670_9ka3.jpg&w=570&h=428&ei=Y_IoU9-qO4rP2wXohYHoDA&zoom=1&ved=0CAwQhBwwATjIAQ&iact=rc&dur=400&page=9&ndsp=23www.ebay.com/itm/street-Punk-Comic-visual-Monster-Inc-all-stars-Mike-Wazowski-travelling-backpack-/271303405646?pt=US_CSA_MWA_Backpacks&hash=item3f2af1704eI just think merchandise would be the lamest excuse ever for them not to give Randall a chance to be on good terms with Mike and Sulley, or to not figure prominently into the next movie. One of those is my blog background haha I wondered where it came from!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 16:08:39 GMT -6
No, your fine. Your right too. Along with Randall, I would love to have a t-shirt with Lock, Shock and Barrel on the front. There's too many Jack's XDDD I feel the SAME way! Oogie Boogie is my favorite in NBC, but Oogie Boogie has hardly any Merch while Jack Skellington has literally Every.Freaking.thing you can think of! I can't even find an Oogie Boogie shirt, while Jack has millions of shirts, and hoodies, and pants, and socks, and pajamas. And Oogie Boogie is a pretty popular Disney antagonist/villain too! I second what someone said earlier, that it's normal for antagonists/villains to get less merch, no matter how popular they are. The only plus is that it does make collecting villainous/antagonistic characters more fun. I must say, however, Randy wasn't very bad at all in MU, he was even less bad than Johnny, so in MU's case it has to do with the fact that he was a secondary character. On the other hand, Randy got a lot more merch than some of the other secondary characters in MU, including Johnny, who actually, you know, played the main antagonist in that film. Just saying. I feel the need to emphasize what other people said, that Randall is highly popular. His Disney Infinity figure is one of, if not the, bestselling Disney Infinity figure; gamestop workers say they have trouble keeping him in stock, he sells so fast. Even in real life I only know people who like Randall best in MI. I loved Randall since I was a kid, and my brother also loves him, and my little cousin loves him best (a few weeks ago at Target I caught her with a Randall squishy figure and made her lead me to where she found it, and there was only ONE Randall squishy left whereas the tub was overflowing with Mikes and Sulleys, and I took that sucker). Randy's scare student figure sold out really fast too, and it's now harder to find than all the others. None of my local stores have it, and online it sells for $20 and up. You'd be even harder pressed to find Randall merchandise from Japan, despite the fact that they had more than the US, and even his egg stars figure is already discontinued...And Randall's plush sold out on the Disney Store really fast. Heck, even during MI's release he had several figures (normal-sized and mini), the build a Randall figure, and some stuffed animals, and he was pictured with Mike and Sulley a lot. I don't think the Mike and Sulley duo would be affected at all; throughout the first part of MU Randy was on better terms with Mike and around him more than Sulley, and even when Sulley figured more into the plot, the whole OK also had relationships with them...hardly duo material, until the end when Sulley chases after a bus for Mike and they go off alone. Randy's and the OK guys' relationships with them didn't negatively affect Mike and Sulley duo merch at all, I think anyone can see that. They're icons, regardless of what the movie's content actually is. There's a lot of merch with the whole OK too, not just Mike and Sulley, so I guess Disney/Pixar wasn't too concerned about it. I also remember seeing a thread a while back detailing merch, posters, and store set-ups that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randy together, and Randy with OK (and nobody else who wasn't in OK in the picture), and even three different shirts that pictured Mike, Sulley, and Randall (those shirts are hard to find now, they used to be sold at Target in the children's section, and were girls' shirts, I might add. Larges and X-larges are hard to find because a lot of teenagers and adults bought them LOL). Here's some of them: www.ebay.com/itm/DISNEY-MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLY-GIRLS-GLITTER-TEE-SHIRT-NEW-/380691191189?pt=US_Childrens_Clothing_Girls&var=&hash=item58a2f69595www.ebay.com/itm/Disney-Pixar-Monsters-University-Shirt-/231165553920?pt=TV_Movie_Character_Toys_US&hash=item35d28a6d00This is one with Randy and Oozma Kappa, it's the gray shirt: www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTERS-INC-UNIVERSITY-MIKE-SULLEY-Tees-T-shirt-Boys-Size-4-5-6-or-7-20-/350837206807?pt=US_Boys_Clothing&var=&hash=item51af86ef17Fabric from when the first movie came out: www.google.com/imgres?start=182&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=isch&tbnid=N8Pw4Yz1KkNglM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Flisting%2F153492896%2Fmonster-inc-boutique-boys-shirt-mike-and&docid=prNLHCLYwdgPrM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg0.etsystatic.com%2F012%2F0%2F5237203%2Fil_570xN.467609670_9ka3.jpg&w=570&h=428&ei=Y_IoU9-qO4rP2wXohYHoDA&zoom=1&ved=0CAwQhBwwATjIAQ&iact=rc&dur=400&page=9&ndsp=23www.ebay.com/itm/street-Punk-Comic-visual-Monster-Inc-all-stars-Mike-Wazowski-travelling-backpack-/271303405646?pt=US_CSA_MWA_Backpacks&hash=item3f2af1704eI just think merchandise would be the lamest excuse ever for them not to give Randall a chance to be on good terms with Mike and Sulley, or to not figure prominently into the next movie. You are SO right about Randall being one of the most popular on DI. Back on WoC, someone posted a picture of a Walmart pedestal that was displaying the game for sale. on the side of the pedestal was a cardboard cut out of a bunch of different featured characters stacked up, and Randall was at the very top X3 Plus another thing I saw myself in many different department stores was a Monsters University Double feature pack with both MU and Mi for blu-ray, but best of all, it comes with the Randy Boggs Infinity figure. if they decided to put Randall in there instead of Mike, who is in fact a playable character, then that obviously says something about what which character people tend to hunt for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 10:02:55 GMT -6
My few cents: I think it'd be cool if (if they made a movie to follow-up on the ending of MI) Randall got redeemed and changed his ways. How this would be accomplished when he was so obviously a villain in the movie, I don't know, but if anyone could pull it off, it's Pixar. The biggest thing to me, is it'd have to be believable. I suppose the movie could be about Randall's journey to redemption...otherwise if it happened too fast, it just wouldn't seem likely. One thing I am nit-picky about is whether or not a movie or story is believable (even within the context of an unbelievable world like the Monster world.)
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Apr 14, 2014 11:48:56 GMT -6
My few cents: I think it'd be cool if (if they made a movie to follow-up on the ending of MI) Randall got redeemed and changed his ways. How this would be accomplished when he was so obviously a villain in the movie, I don't know, but if anyone could pull it off, it's Pixar. The biggest thing to me, is it'd have to be believable. I suppose the movie could be about Randall's journey to redemption...otherwise if it happened too fast, it just wouldn't seem likely. One thing I am nit-picky about is whether or not a movie or story is believable (even within the context of an unbelievable world like the Monster world.) Imagine my surprise when I saw this, given the stress I've been going through lately revolving partially around the hate Randy tends to get over even Johnny. Thank you for that; it did help a bit.
While I fully agree with your thoughts about it needing to be believable, I think it would depend on which movie you're talking about that he's "so obviously a villain" in. Frankly, I didn't think that he was much of a villain at all in MU; a lot of his haters seem to either forget or deny his role in the entire first third of the movie, which, interestingly enough, also consisted of most of his lines. And even when he joined ROR, he most certainly would not have been in charge of any of their immoral acts, what with his being the new guy. I think MU was meant to show why he became the admittedly rude and jealous person he was in MI, but the fact that he starts off as a nice person (not to mention his voice actor emphasizing how nervous his character is in interviews) makes me skeptical that MI concludes his story, and I mean that in a good way for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:21:09 GMT -6
My few cents: I think it'd be cool if (if they made a movie to follow-up on the ending of MI) Randall got redeemed and changed his ways. How this would be accomplished when he was so obviously a villain in the movie, I don't know, but if anyone could pull it off, it's Pixar. The biggest thing to me, is it'd have to be believable. I suppose the movie could be about Randall's journey to redemption...otherwise if it happened too fast, it just wouldn't seem likely. One thing I am nit-picky about is whether or not a movie or story is believable (even within the context of an unbelievable world like the Monster world.) Imagine my surprise when I saw this, given the stress I've been going through lately revolving partially around the hate Randy tends to get over even Johnny. Thank you for that; it did help a bit.
While I fully agree with your thoughts about it needing to be believable, I think it would depend on which movie you're talking about that he's "so obviously a villain" in. Frankly, I didn't think that he was much of a villain at all in MU; a lot of his haters seem to either forget or deny his role in the entire first third of the movie, which, interestingly enough, also consisted of most of his lines. And even when he joined ROR, he most certainly would not have been in charge of any of their immoral acts, what with his being the new guy. I think MU was meant to show why he became the admittedly rude and jealous person he was in MI, but the fact that he starts off as a nice person (not to mention his voice actor emphasizing how nervous his character is in interviews) makes me skeptical that MI concludes his story, and I mean that in a good way for him.No, I agree, I didn't think of him as a villain in MU - he was more like someone who was misled, and it even mentions something like that in the commentary for the movie, that he chose popularity over the people who would truly care about him. And I don't even think he can be faulted for that. No one's perfect, we all have our faults, and I think - judging from the decisions Randall/Randy made in MU - that popularity was immensely important for him, for who knows what reason. Maybe he was unpopular all throughout his school life and viewed college as a new start and a chance to be popular for once. If anything, Randall deserves compassion, because everything that led up to his actions in MI is the result of him being misled and blinded by certain things. Everyone has the capacity to be misled, no one's above it, exactly - it just looks worse on Randall in MI because he was willing to put a small child in danger. But, people have been redeemed before, and I don't think Randall is an exception. Maybe he needs to re-visit some past ghosts, do a little soul-searching. Personally, I think someone should have convinced him that he was an individual of value, whether he was popular amongst the "cool kids" or not. His character probably goes a lot deeper than whether or not he was popular or not (after all, why was being popular that important to him?) I'm not what you'd call a die-hard Randall fan. I like his character, but I'm not one of the groupies - I just have compassion on him, and thinking about his plight at the end of MI is a lot sadder when you remember that sweet, smiling individual at the beginning of MU. Makes you wanna ask him "What happened?"
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Post by chimeramachinations on Apr 16, 2014 9:08:33 GMT -6
I figure it's about time I add to this topic. If Randall were to be redeemed, I think the main antagonist of that movie would be probably be: - Trying to revive scream energy for whatever reason (they think scaring more fun and/or less degrading, they want a return to the good old days, etc.)
- Trying to wipe out humans for whatever reason (terrorism, they think humans are annoying, they want to throw a wrench in MI's operation, etc.)
- Both of the above.
The antagonist could also quite possibly be Waternoose too, either trying any of the above and/or trying to get back at Randall for messing the whole scream extractor plot.
Really, the plots of both MI and MU run off of many things that could have never happened, so I think the plot would start due to one of these things.
Even if Randall were to help Sulley or Mike out though, I think he wouldn't be likely to become friends. Although, a scene where both he and Mike are trapped in a situation that looks like it will lead to their demise would be interesting - especially if Randall asks Mike if they can try to be friends again if they get out of there. (Cue someone getting them out of there right after Mike gives his answer.)
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