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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 4:09:28 GMT -6
On second thought, since I was hoping you two would leave your thoughts there... Have you even played Disney Infinity, toxicdolls? I have, and sometimes I think Randy was only labeled as a villain in it because there was no one else in the franchise who was popular. For one, you do NOT fight him at any point in the MU playset, an apparent contrast to other playsets in Disney Infinity. As for the marketing, how much have you seen for MU? Randy is shown for a lot of it, and was FAR more likely to be seen than Johnny. Sorry, my response was for captainzitao, I didn't respond to your post because you asked us not to in order to avoid drama. I own Disney Infinity, (Randall and Sulley, not Mike yet) the Monster World is set in MU, where Randall was not yet a villain, which is why we do not fight him, its also more of a puzzle game then action, you don't fight Johnny in it either, which would make sense if we did. He is still sold with the other Villains of the other games, Disney still labels him as a Villain (and Mike as the side kick) and I am guessing he was a last minute throw in (in order for the first three franchises to have three figures) since even while playing Randall, you bump into another Randall who helps you along your game play. Finding Randall stuff is hard, and commonly complained about. Randall did get a lot of merch that Johnny did not get, but Johnny also got merch that Randall didn't get (A talking plush, for example) It's not a competition, its just that Mike and Sulley are Disney's gold mines (in this franchise), they are on everything together, and have been for each movie, to suddenly make a third movie and throw Randall onto all the merch as well would not be as recognizable (Recognition is the only reason they make sequels and prequels to begin with) I am just saying it could disrupt the flow of things, and Disney/Pixar tend to avoid risks I am sorry if I upset you, I didn't mean to, I like Randall too as a character, I just prefer him as a Villain (I'd rather he get further developed as a Villian, then get replaced by a new villain who needs to take away the trio's screen time with his/her motivation). Its just personal preference, all my talk is just speculation, I know what will happen in the third movie as much as you or anyone else on the forum knows.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 7:26:34 GMT -6
I also feel like if Pixar were to make a third MI movie, Randall wouldn't be in it much. But I'm not really for Randall being redeemed. I mean after the whole Scare Games thing, he became pretty obsessed with Sulley and wanted to get payback after all those years. I mean, he probably had so much hatred for him and it just grew and grew as years went on. It's like Vlad from Danny Phantom, if anyone knows about that show. In college, something happened to make him become obsessed with his once best friend and he had so much hatred and wanted to prove he was the better one. I mean, the guy tried to kill him time after time. Randall even tried killing Sulley; in ways those two characters are really alike. That's how I see Randall. So having redemption to me just wouldn't work. And with Mike and Sulley's long friendship, there really is no room for Randall, honestly. lol I don't think he will be in it much, the MU/MI films are marketed mainly with Mike and Sulley as a duo, I don't think they would stray from that path, I am guessing the nexed film will be equally about the two, or they will do another Sulley movie, with the intention of repeating the pattern. I think Randall will be in a new film for the same amount of time as in MU, a small side plot, maybe less. If they wanted to do a three group franchise they missed their opportunity, Randall was never marketed as heavily as Sulley or Mike, and even in the infinity set hes sold with the Villains, I think he may return as the Villain again. I agree with you here, its not that people (or monsters) can't make more friends, its more a marketing thing, Sull and Mike are on everything together, backpacks, notebooks, everything. It would just be an odd strategy for him to be added so late in the game, and all the merch with him being villainy would instantly be out dated. To be honest he actually got quite a bit of screen time in MI I know this because I can't put the freaking thing on and get on with another task because Randall keeps popping up and distracting me, not only that but he actually was kinda a massive plot point in the first one and like others have said he didn't even need to be in MU but for some reason he still is.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 7:35:39 GMT -6
The thing that confuses me with Randall is he is SUCH a douche but then in tiny parts he talks to people really casually like people forget the bit where he's just talking to Fungus like a friend when he's carrying the box or the bit where for some reason he believes Mike about the guy at station 6.
In conclusion my professional opinion is that Randall is a really terrible villain... I don't mean his character I mean he literally sucks at being a criminal if you ask me. He basically just effed the whole thing up, WHO THE HECK LEAVES AN ACTIVE DOOR ALONE TO GO DO.... Whatever the heck he swaggered off to do, when you have so much at stake. No wonder Waternoose was hella pissed at him he messed every single bit up I don't think there is one single time in the whole movie where he manages to actually do anything.... If someone played comical music behind him the entire movie I think we would all see him in a very different light.
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Post by Calcilum on Mar 18, 2014 11:45:58 GMT -6
I would honestly want to see Randall to be redeemed. In my opinion, he was more of an antagonist than a Villain. So I do see a little bit of redemption in him.
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 11:48:22 GMT -6
lol I don't think he will be in it much, the MU/MI films are marketed mainly with Mike and Sulley as a duo, I don't think they would stray from that path, I am guessing the nexed film will be equally about the two, or they will do another Sulley movie, with the intention of repeating the pattern. I think Randall will be in a new film for the same amount of time as in MU, a small side plot, maybe less. If they wanted to do a three group franchise they missed their opportunity, Randall was never marketed as heavily as Sulley or Mike, and even in the infinity set hes sold with the Villains, I think he may return as the Villain again. I agree with you here, its not that people (or monsters) can't make more friends, its more a marketing thing, Sull and Mike are on everything together, backpacks, notebooks, everything. It would just be an odd strategy for him to be added so late in the game, and all the merch with him being villainy would instantly be out dated. To be honest he actually got quite a bit of screen time in MI I know this because I can't put the freaking thing on and get on with another task because Randall keeps popping up and distracting me, not only that but he actually was kinda a massive plot point in the first one and like others have said he didn't even need to be in MU but for some reason he still is. I know Randall got a lot of screen time in MI, he was the main antagonist after all and got the amount of screen time you would expect from the villain, and most if not all of his scenes were based around the fact that he was near Mike and Sulley at the time, which were the characters the cameras were following(figuratively). He was still not marketed nearly as much, I know because I break my back looking for Randall stuff and its not easy, yet you could get just about anything with Mike and Sulley, I have Mike and Sulley tooth brush's they are just that 'whored out' for lack of a better word lol MU had a lot of cameo's, and Randall did fatten the plot. Him being in it was not surprising, and he still had less screen time, which tells me he might just be getting phased out, like they are answering unanswered questions now so the next movie can have a new antagonist focus (If they even have an Anatagonist, since It could easily turn into an adventure, road trip movie where the elements are the 'antagonists') If there is a third movie with a villain then I think either Randall will be the main Villain again, or only have a cameo (maybe from jail, or he made a cozy living on some beach(this is a children's comedy after all) and will give a little insight on maps or humans, then be written out. But again this is only what I think, I wont be mad if Randall does find some sort of redemption, I am just cautious about how they would work a plot like that, not that they couldn't or wont.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 12:00:09 GMT -6
To be honest he actually got quite a bit of screen time in MI I know this because I can't put the freaking thing on and get on with another task because Randall keeps popping up and distracting me, not only that but he actually was kinda a massive plot point in the first one and like others have said he didn't even need to be in MU but for some reason he still is. I know Randall got a lot of screen time in MI, he was the main antagonist after all and got the amount of screen time you would expect from the villain, and most if not all of his scenes were based around the fact that he was near Mike and Sulley at the time, which were the characters the cameras were following(figuratively). He was still not marketed nearly as much, I know because I break my back looking for Randall stuff and its not easy, yet you could get just about anything with Mike and Sulley, I have Mike and Sulley tooth brush's they are just that 'whored out' for lack of a better word lol MU had a lot of cameo's, and Randall did fatten the plot. Him being in it was not surprising, and he still had less screen time, which tells me he might just be getting phased out, like they are answering unanswered questions now so the next movie can have a new antagonist focus (If they even have an Anatagonist, since It could easily turn into an adventure, road trip movie where the elements are the 'antagonists') If there is a third movie with a villain then I think either Randall will be the main Villain again, or only have a cameo (maybe from jail, or he made a cozy living on some beach(this is a children's comedy after all) and will give a little insight on maps or humans, then be written out. But again this is only what I think, I wont be mad if Randall does find some sort of redemption, I am just cautious about how they would work a plot like that, not that they couldn't or wont. I'm far from expecting or even wanting redemption for him. I just want him to be in there because I like him the best. Even a funny cameo will please me PFFTT who am I kidding even if they mention him I will be pleased. That's not to say I won't go and see the movie if he's not in it because I still love Monsters as a whole he just happens to be my favorite because... I don't even know why.
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 12:35:32 GMT -6
I know Randall got a lot of screen time in MI, he was the main antagonist after all and got the amount of screen time you would expect from the villain, and most if not all of his scenes were based around the fact that he was near Mike and Sulley at the time, which were the characters the cameras were following(figuratively). He was still not marketed nearly as much, I know because I break my back looking for Randall stuff and its not easy, yet you could get just about anything with Mike and Sulley, I have Mike and Sulley tooth brush's they are just that 'whored out' for lack of a better word lol MU had a lot of cameo's, and Randall did fatten the plot. Him being in it was not surprising, and he still had less screen time, which tells me he might just be getting phased out, like they are answering unanswered questions now so the next movie can have a new antagonist focus (If they even have an Anatagonist, since It could easily turn into an adventure, road trip movie where the elements are the 'antagonists') If there is a third movie with a villain then I think either Randall will be the main Villain again, or only have a cameo (maybe from jail, or he made a cozy living on some beach(this is a children's comedy after all) and will give a little insight on maps or humans, then be written out. But again this is only what I think, I wont be mad if Randall does find some sort of redemption, I am just cautious about how they would work a plot like that, not that they couldn't or wont. I'm far from expecting or even wanting redemption for him. I just want him to be in there because I like him the best. Even a funny cameo will please me PFFTT who am I kidding even if they mention him I will be pleased. That's not to say I won't go and see the movie if he's not in it because I still love Monsters as a whole he just happens to be my favorite because... I don't even know why. ohhh man, you don't need to worry about that I don't think XD I am sure Randall will be in it, its like a trend they set up now, I bet George will make an appearance too, and Roz of course. I would not mind Randy getting as much time as he had in MI. I actually just had this idea where they make a human the villain.. so maybe Randall will be nicer, I am just not sold on him making thw power trio, no matter how satisfying and lovely the art/fanfics are of it *u* I was the same way with Kung fu panda 2 (or at least I will be once the next movie gets out!!) any mention of Shen will have me climbing the walls XD Though I don't have much hope for him returning U_U But I did buy the DS game, only because he was mentioned!
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 18, 2014 12:50:15 GMT -6
I'm far from expecting or even wanting redemption for him. I just want him to be in there because I like him the best. Even a funny cameo will please me PFFTT who am I kidding even if they mention him I will be pleased. That's not to say I won't go and see the movie if he's not in it because I still love Monsters as a whole he just happens to be my favorite because... I don't even know why. ohhh man, you don't need to worry about that I don't think XD I am sure Randall will be in it, its like a trend they set up now, I bet George will make an appearance too, and Roz of course. I would not mind Randy getting as much time as he had in MI. I actually just had this idea where they make a human the villain.. so maybe Randall will be nicer, I am just not sold on him making thw power trio, no matter how satisfying and lovely the art/fanfics are of it *u* I was the same way with Kung fu panda 2 (or at least I will be once the next movie gets out!!) any mention of Shen will have me climbing the walls XD Though I don't have much hope for him returning U_U But I did buy the DS game, only because he was mentioned! I'm so interested to see what will happen if there is a third movie. I don't really understand pixar they miss out on so much merch money by not putting the favorites on offer. It's not just us that loves Randall either kids are nuts for him for some reason, they could really make a killing from him and they must know this, they are on tumblr and must see that his products sell really well. Personally I think they might be kicking themselves from pushing Art to much, it seems they really had him pinned as a favorite and from what I can see kids and adults loved Mike Randy Johnny and the perry twins the best. Even George is more popular than Art. Then again I think they also missed out on the first movie by not making more merch with Roz as people freaking love her. My point being Pixar does the randomest things so I don't think we will have any idea as to what they are actually gonna do until they do it but I have full faith that they will make the movie great and then totally eff up the merchandising haha
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Post by captainzitao on Mar 18, 2014 13:23:47 GMT -6
On second thought, since I was hoping you two would leave your thoughts there... Have you even played Disney Infinity, toxicdolls? I have, and sometimes I think Randy was only labeled as a villain in it because there was no one else in the franchise who was popular. For one, you do NOT fight him at any point in the MU playset, an apparent contrast to other playsets in Disney Infinity. As for the marketing, how much have you seen for MU? Randy is shown for a lot of it, and was FAR more likely to be seen than Johnny. Sorry, my response was for captainzitao, I didn't respond to your post because you asked us not to in order to avoid drama. I own Disney Infinity, (Randall and Sulley, not Mike yet) the Monster World is set in MU, where Randall was not yet a villain, which is why we do not fight him, its also more of a puzzle game then action, you don't fight Johnny in it either, which would make sense if we did. He is still sold with the other Villains of the other games, Disney still labels him as a Villain (and Mike as the side kick) and I am guessing he was a last minute throw in (in order for the first three franchises to have three figures) since even while playing Randall, you bump into another Randall who helps you along your game play. Finding Randall stuff is hard, and commonly complained about. Randall did get a lot of merch that Johnny did not get, but Johnny also got merch that Randall didn't get (A talking plush, for example) It's not a competition, its just that Mike and Sulley are Disney's gold mines (in this franchise), they are on everything together, and have been for each movie, to suddenly make a third movie and throw Randall onto all the merch as well would not be as recognizable (Recognition is the only reason they make sequels and prequels to begin with) I am just saying it could disrupt the flow of things, and Disney/Pixar tend to avoid risks I am sorry if I upset you, I didn't mean to, I like Randall too as a character, I just prefer him as a Villain (I'd rather he get further developed as a Villian, then get replaced by a new villain who needs to take away the trio's screen time with his/her motivation). Its just personal preference, all my talk is just speculation, I know what will happen in the third movie as much as you or anyone else on the forum knows. I apologize as well. But it seems like you were adding drama and then saying don't reply. We are fully aware that Randall was not the only villain in MI, but this thread was about Randall, not Waternoose. I also agree with toxicdolls as well. The Monsters play set was set in MU, meaning Randall was not a villain. Randall is a main character and an important character in the series and he was also a last minute addition due to his popularity. There is also no room for Randall in merch. He is a popular character, yes, but it's all about Mike and Sulley. The other villains Disney and Pixar have are popular, but they also don't get much merch. (There's always more merch in Disneyland tho.) It's just the Disney/Pixar way. They make merch for the villains but not much. And now that the series has gone this far, there's not much room for Randall and making him an ally or having him redeemed just won't make much sense since they already established him as villain.
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Post by RantingRandall on Mar 18, 2014 14:39:00 GMT -6
I think that merchandising is totally unrelated to whether Randall could or couldn't get a redemption in a sequel. Sure, Mike and Sulley are the series' "trademark" monsters, but there's plenty of space for other characters as well. Think about all the toys and apparel featuring all of OKs, PNKs and RORs. Heck, I even have an official Randy Macbook sleeve. Also, if there's room for Cars 3, there's room for Randall as well!
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 16:13:59 GMT -6
I think that merchandising is totally unrelated to whether Randall could or couldn't get a redemption in a sequel. Sure, Mike and Sulley are the series' "trademark" monsters, but there's plenty of space for other characters as well. Think about all the toys and apparel featuring all of OKs, PNKs and RORs. Heck, I even have an official Randy Macbook sleeve. Also, if there's room for Cars 3, there's room for Randall as well! I'm not saying there is no room for him, obviously they can just make new things, I am saying that Mike and Sulley are the big sellers. Although were in a community of the hard core dedicated fans were not Disney's target market, they don't make the movie with our wants in mind, they do it for the kids, Mike and Sulley are the most recognizable after 2 movies, so that is what most kids want to buy toys of (they don't want the side characters or the villain, unless a unique case) Randall could be redeemed, but he wont become as close to Mike and Sulley as people are speculating he will, because they were sold as a duo, not a trio, like I said making them a trio would date their old toys, and ruin the consistency or their market. Cars 3 is an entire franchise that is probably one of Disney's most profitable markets (besides maybe Princesses and toy story), Randall would not generate much profit, and Monsters universe is hardly as popular as the Cars universe. Actually the Cars thing is very telling, Cars suck, critically Monsters is a better franchise, but Cars makes money because it appeals heavily to little boys, which is why we saw 2 Car movies and a spin off movie before we saw Monsters 2. Disney is like any other company, they exist to make a profit. Randall could turn good, I don't know, but I don't think the trio theory will come to be, but this is just my thoughts on it, again I dono and I hope if a movie does come out people get what they want from it.
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Post by thatdoodlebug on Mar 18, 2014 16:23:20 GMT -6
I used to be optimistic about a big redemption plot for Randall, but these days I don't really see it happening. Maybe he'll get a cameo or shout out in a possible third film, but i can't imagine him being a focus anymore. That kind of breaks my heart to admit (and just personal opinion mind you), but it seems doubtful especially with rewatching MU. Watching the prequel after giving it some distance reminds me how much Randall was sidelined. I guess yeah it is Mike's story, but a couple more scenes or two elaborating on Randall;s "turn" wouldn't have hurt. saying all that, i'm all for redemptive Randall, yes of course! Needs to be something convincing and he has to remain a snarky ass though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 16:27:39 GMT -6
Sorry, my response was for captainzitao, I didn't respond to your post because you asked us not to in order to avoid drama. I own Disney Infinity, (Randall and Sulley, not Mike yet) the Monster World is set in MU, where Randall was not yet a villain, which is why we do not fight him, its also more of a puzzle game then action, you don't fight Johnny in it either, which would make sense if we did. He is still sold with the other Villains of the other games, Disney still labels him as a Villain (and Mike as the side kick) and I am guessing he was a last minute throw in (in order for the first three franchises to have three figures) since even while playing Randall, you bump into another Randall who helps you along your game play. Finding Randall stuff is hard, and commonly complained about. Randall did get a lot of merch that Johnny did not get, but Johnny also got merch that Randall didn't get (A talking plush, for example) It's not a competition, its just that Mike and Sulley are Disney's gold mines (in this franchise), they are on everything together, and have been for each movie, to suddenly make a third movie and throw Randall onto all the merch as well would not be as recognizable (Recognition is the only reason they make sequels and prequels to begin with) I am just saying it could disrupt the flow of things, and Disney/Pixar tend to avoid risks I am sorry if I upset you, I didn't mean to, I like Randall too as a character, I just prefer him as a Villain (I'd rather he get further developed as a Villian, then get replaced by a new villain who needs to take away the trio's screen time with his/her motivation). Its just personal preference, all my talk is just speculation, I know what will happen in the third movie as much as you or anyone else on the forum knows. I apologize as well. But it seems like you were adding drama and then saying don't reply. We are fully aware that Randall was not the only villain in MI, but this thread was about Randall, not Waternoose. I also agree with toxicdolls as well. The Monsters play set was set in MU, meaning Randall was not a villain. Randall is a main character and an important character in the series and he was also a last minute addition due to his popularity. There is also no room for Randall in merch. He is a popular character, yes, but it's all about Mike and Sulley. The other villains Disney and Pixar have are popular, but they also don't get much merch. (There's always more merch in Disneyland tho.) It's just the Disney/Pixar way. They make merch for the villains but not much. And now that the series has gone this far, there's not much room for Randall and making him an ally or having him redeemed just won't make much sense since they already established him as villain. I'm not so sure about that. I've spent sleepless night trying to simply find a t-shirt with Randall on it, but I couldn't even find one. Instead I found a good three dozen different T's with Mike and Sulley alone on them. A lot of the shirt even looked pretty similar to each other with very minuscule differences. If they have enough room to make a bazillion different t-shirts that all look alike, I'm sure they could make a shirt with Randall or two on them.
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Post by RantingRandall on Mar 18, 2014 16:48:24 GMT -6
I think that merchandising is totally unrelated to whether Randall could or couldn't get a redemption in a sequel. Sure, Mike and Sulley are the series' "trademark" monsters, but there's plenty of space for other characters as well. Think about all the toys and apparel featuring all of OKs, PNKs and RORs. Heck, I even have an official Randy Macbook sleeve. Also, if there's room for Cars 3, there's room for Randall as well! I'm not saying there is no room for him, obviously they can just make new things, I am saying that Mike and Sulley are the big sellers. Although were in a community of the hard core dedicated fans were not Disney's target market, they don't make the movie with our wants in mind, they do it for the kids, Mike and Sulley are the most recognizable after 2 movies, so that is what most kids want to buy toys of (they don't want the side characters or the villain, unless a unique case) Randall could be redeemed, but he wont become as close to Mike and Sulley as people are speculating he will, because they were sold as a duo, not a trio, like I said making them a trio would date their old toys, and ruin the consistency or their market. Cars 3 is an entire franchise that is probably one of Disney's most profitable markets (besides maybe Princesses and toy story), Randall would not generate much profit, and Monsters universe is hardly as popular as the Cars universe. Actually the Cars thing is very telling, Cars suck, critically Monsters is a better franchise, but Cars makes money because it appeals heavily to little boys, which is why we saw 2 Car movies and a spin off movie before we saw Monsters 2. Disney is like any other company, they exist to make a profit. Randall could turn good, I don't know, but I don't think the trio theory will come to be, but this is just my thoughts on it, again I dono and I hope if a movie does come out people get what they want from it. Then again, dating the old to push customers into buying new is what drives most of the market! But sure, the power trio theory is currently more of a wish rather than reality. I guess my point is that merchandising is independent of detailed story development. They can still sell tons of M+S merch regardless of other characters. Also, I don't think that all the recent merch with smiling bespectacled Randy ruined the consistency of their market The Cars 3 comment was actually a sarcastic remark to express my attitude towards Cars 2 I agree with your take on it, though.
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 17:33:14 GMT -6
I'm not saying there is no room for him, obviously they can just make new things, I am saying that Mike and Sulley are the big sellers. Although were in a community of the hard core dedicated fans were not Disney's target market, they don't make the movie with our wants in mind, they do it for the kids, Mike and Sulley are the most recognizable after 2 movies, so that is what most kids want to buy toys of (they don't want the side characters or the villain, unless a unique case) Randall could be redeemed, but he wont become as close to Mike and Sulley as people are speculating he will, because they were sold as a duo, not a trio, like I said making them a trio would date their old toys, and ruin the consistency or their market. Cars 3 is an entire franchise that is probably one of Disney's most profitable markets (besides maybe Princesses and toy story), Randall would not generate much profit, and Monsters universe is hardly as popular as the Cars universe. Actually the Cars thing is very telling, Cars suck, critically Monsters is a better franchise, but Cars makes money because it appeals heavily to little boys, which is why we saw 2 Car movies and a spin off movie before we saw Monsters 2. Disney is like any other company, they exist to make a profit. Randall could turn good, I don't know, but I don't think the trio theory will come to be, but this is just my thoughts on it, again I dono and I hope if a movie does come out people get what they want from it. Then again, dating the old to push customers into buying new is what drives most of the market! But sure, the power trio theory is currently more of a wish rather than reality. I guess my point is that merchandising is independent of detailed story development. They can still sell tons of M+S merch regardless of other characters. Also, I don't think that all the recent merch with smiling bespectacled Randy ruined the consistency of their market The Cars 3 comment was actually a sarcastic remark to express my attitude towards Cars 2 I agree with your take on it, though. Dating is not a good thing, for example if a movie uses Myspace it is automatically dated, which is considered bad. People want their things to last through the ages, not to be next years trash. If they developed the trio as people seem to want most things would no longer be Mike and Sulley, they would be Mike, Sulley and Randall, which would contradict the marketing that was done thus far (and all figures where Randall was being villainous would be obsolete) , and it would be more expensive to make indevidual Mike, Sulley and Randall backpacks then it is to just make individual Mike and Sulley bags. I think it would be more likly that we see Randall's good side, but he would still be considered the antagonist over all. A lot of MU merch still goes with the idea that hes villainous, the Infinity set hes with the villians (even in advertisements he hangs with Syndrome and the others). I think his 'innocents' was more for comedy then it was suggesting he was going to get redemption (Which is why we saw so little innocent/glasses Randy. I doubt Pixar even planned out the next movie at all yet, just like they didn't plan out MU before MI, which is why there were so many plot holes) but I guess we will just need to see You don't like cars either? XDD
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