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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:28:18 GMT -6
I realize this topic will probably get heated, especially given most of the other members are on Tumblr. Still, I make this poll thread mostly to assess the more popular opinion of this character.
Personally, I'll risk my reputation here and say that I think that MU was implying something good for Randy in the next movie, which I have sources all but confirming. Yes, he becomes an enemy of Mike and Sulley by the end of the movie, but I think one thing that's forgotten among his haters is that Randy could've been a jerk right from the get-go, combined with the fact that MU is a prequel with, consequently, a rather obvious ending to those who've seen MI, and the creators did express disappointment in that regard: that you can't make the ending of a prequel different than the beginning of the original. The fact that Randy was NOT made into a jerk right away speaks volumes to me.
Thoughts about redemption, anyone?
(P.S. I acknowledge I have an argument problem when it comes to something I'm passionate about. That being said, I'd appreciate it if no one quotes the paragraph about my thoughts about Randy, for their sake as well as mine, and I also will make the mods aware of this thread in case things get out of control).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:35:53 GMT -6
Oh hell yeah I'm also on that bandwagon. If such a thing were to happen, it would have to be handled delicately of course. Randall is a very complicated character, and he certainly isn't going to be a little ball of sunshine, especially after being unwillingly thrown into the human world where he was nearly beaten to death. Loooots of issues to work out. And given how his character was portrayed in a more positive light in the prequel, it would greatly disappoint me if they did bring him back as a villain and he stayed the villain throughout the entire movie. It would be such a waste. As for his redemption, I think at the end, he'd still be kind of a jerk. A nicer jerk, but still a jerk XD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:40:14 GMT -6
Nice to see SOME enthusiasm about this thread.
Yes, there is no doubt that good writers would be necessary if Randy is going to be redeemed in a sequel in a plausible manner.
As much as I would hope Randy loses the jerk personality, you are most likely right when it comes to his ending. They say college changes you, for one, something I myself have fallen victim to as someone on the verge of graduation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:45:39 GMT -6
Lol, I think his jerkiness could actually be funny. I don't want him to be the kind of jerk you just want to punch. I'd rather he be the kind of jerk that you almost feel guilty laughing about whenever he says or does something kind of mean XD I think this sort of goes back to the whole "Power Trio" discussion we've been having.
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Post by myrobotlandlord on Mar 17, 2014 9:17:54 GMT -6
My roommate and I have discussed Pixar sequals that need to happen so many times... and I know I'd love a sequal to Monsters Inc... but I've never really had a strong opinion about if Randall would be in it or not you know? I mean I'd like him to be in it, yEAH!! But would he be redeemed or still act all bad? SHRUG i'm not sure what pixar would do about that... But sure yeah it'd be nice if Randall was redeemed.
But like Dorrica said it would have to be handled delicately.
Like a carton of eggs.
Rotton eggs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 9:23:38 GMT -6
Well, yeah, if we all knew the ending if a movie that hasn't even been officially announced yet, there'd be no point to this thread. XD
Is the rotton eggs part a joke? I don't get it. Still, I do firmly believe that there's a better chance of Randy getting redeemed then him being recycled as a villain. Not only would the latter make one question why he was in the beginning of MU at all, it would also be unoriginal; Pixar prides itself on originality, and when it comes to sequels, this shows in the Toy Story movies: the villains were not recycled beyond light mentions.
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Post by myrobotlandlord on Mar 17, 2014 10:00:49 GMT -6
Pixar would never use Randall as a villain again. There's an opinion. I'm so proud of it, I never have strong opinions. *puts it on a shelf* Anyway yeah. I also believe that even if Randall wasnt a part of the storyline in the next Monster movie he would have a cameo. But of course if he did get a part in the next movie i would be so HAAPPPYY if he was redeemed!!
It's one thing to drop a carton of eggs, but if you were to drop rotten ones it would be even worse.
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Post by polkadots on Mar 17, 2014 15:52:33 GMT -6
I think it's less of a 'should' and more of a 'could' at the end of the day. MU's different side to him- as a more or less well meaning kid, though with definite traits which can be exploited and can turn you down a dark path (with the deep desire for recognition- something he also has in MI even) was a nice to see even though with so little screen time Randy's development was unfortunately a little thin. (Like he and Mike just drifted apart- I wanted them to argue damnit).
In the end he's Pixar's character and they'll decide the path for him at the end of the day if they revisit the monsters again (and I hope they do!). More or less I'd love to see them develop Randall's character- and between a revenge or a redemption plot the latter interests me more- but overall I'd just be happy for confirmation he's alive and kicking.
As I've mentioned elsewhere though there can be cliches to both. There can be terrible ways to use either idea but there can be good ways too. Revenge after all can be very, very believable especially for Randall and given all that went down. I don't think he'd go for the monster world for just that reason? Because jail and all. But yeah if it fell into his lap or something as an opportunity I could see him trying to take it- at least at first unless something changed in a big way.
But in any case as everyone keeps repeating it would have to be done so with finesse. Randall would have to do something big to redeem himself at the end of the day too no doubt. Plus I would like him to keep that snarky personality.
Mike would distrust Randall in general because wow does he get the short end of the stick that day at first. Sulley himself... well, I think his main source of contention would be with regards what almost happened to Boo rather than himself I feel. Randall would have to show he's no longer a threat and heck maybe put his very life on the line or something to convince the big guy probably. Do something completely and utterly unselfish and even help her out. A good deed does not undo bad ones but well, there we go. That's all I can think of with regards that.
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 17, 2014 22:47:22 GMT -6
Honestly I am the minority here, but I don't want Randall to be redeemed, at least not to the extent that everyone else seems to want him to reach. I am fine if he goes to jail for a while then moves on with life, but I would rather not see him becomes friends with Sulley or Mike (Guess you could say I am against the Power Trio idea) I think after MU people forgot how brutal he was in MI. He literally tried to kill Sulley, that will be REALLY hard to make up for in a sequel if they wanted to have Randall nice again.. If Pixar can pull it off well then I guess that would be cool, but Its going to be hard, what can he do to wipe his record clean when attempted murder and kidnapping is on his list of crimes?
Plus in the Power trio he would be more like a third wheel, Sulley and Mike have a long history, Randall would have missed out on, and he had no friendly interaction with James, he might be able to kinder something with Mike but as far as we know he and Sulley have never shared a kind word, and might not even have chemistry together. Either that or Sulley and Randy start making out and Mike turns into a third wheel XD (Suitable title for Mike though)
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 18, 2014 1:54:35 GMT -6
While you do have a point when it comes to tensions between the three, the thing is, Randall was not the only criminal in MI. Aside from Sulley and Mike banishing him as an act of revenge (which may have also been a successful murder, depending on any verdict we hear in a sequel), I think a lot of haters also forget about the involvement of Waternoose, who WAS arrested.
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Post by captainzitao on Mar 18, 2014 2:06:48 GMT -6
Honestly I am the minority here, but I don't want Randall to be redeemed, at least not to the extent that everyone else seems to want him to reach. I am fine if he goes to jail for a while then moves on with life, but I would rather not see him becomes friends with Sulley or Mike (Guess you could say I am against the Power Trio idea) I think after MU people forgot how brutal he was in MI. He literally tried to kill Sulley, that will be REALLY hard to make up for in a sequel if they wanted to have Randall nice again.. If Pixar can pull it off well then I guess that would be cool, but Its going to be hard, what can he do to wipe his record clean when attempted murder and kidnapping is on his list of crimes? Plus in the Power trio he would be more like a third wheel, Sulley and Mike have a long history, Randall would have missed out on, and he had no friendly interaction with James, he might be able to kinder something with Mike but as far as we know he and Sulley have never shared a kind word, and might not even have chemistry together. Either that or Sulley and Randy start making out and Mike turns into a third wheel XD (Suitable title for Mike though) I also feel like if Pixar were to make a third MI movie, Randall wouldn't be in it much. But I'm not really for Randall being redeemed. I mean after the whole Scare Games thing, he became pretty obsessed with Sulley and wanted to get payback after all those years. I mean, he probably had so much hatred for him and it just grew and grew as years went on. It's like Vlad from Danny Phantom, if anyone knows about that show. In college, something happened to make him become obsessed with his once best friend and he had so much hatred and wanted to prove he was the better one. I mean, the guy tried to kill him time after time. Randall even tried killing Sulley; in ways those two characters are really alike. That's how I see Randall. So having redemption to me just wouldn't work. And with Mike and Sulley's long friendship, there really is no room for Randall, honestly.
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 18, 2014 2:08:56 GMT -6
Again, though, Randall was not the only criminal in MI, nor was he the only one who attempted murder, even if Mike and Sulley did do so to him as an act of revenge.
Also, I have serious doubts that he is pure evil like you two seem to be implying: if that were the case, then, again, what was the first third of MU about, other than Mike and Randy once being friends themselves?
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 18, 2014 2:24:12 GMT -6
I realize that I'm kind of encouraging an argument with you two by saying what I did, just like I feared. That being said, I'm dropping the subject, though I would suggest looking at my first post in the other thread to understand why I get so worked up easily...
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 18, 2014 3:32:47 GMT -6
Honestly I am the minority here, but I don't want Randall to be redeemed, at least not to the extent that everyone else seems to want him to reach. I am fine if he goes to jail for a while then moves on with life, but I would rather not see him becomes friends with Sulley or Mike (Guess you could say I am against the Power Trio idea) I think after MU people forgot how brutal he was in MI. He literally tried to kill Sulley, that will be REALLY hard to make up for in a sequel if they wanted to have Randall nice again.. If Pixar can pull it off well then I guess that would be cool, but Its going to be hard, what can he do to wipe his record clean when attempted murder and kidnapping is on his list of crimes? Plus in the Power trio he would be more like a third wheel, Sulley and Mike have a long history, Randall would have missed out on, and he had no friendly interaction with James, he might be able to kinder something with Mike but as far as we know he and Sulley have never shared a kind word, and might not even have chemistry together. Either that or Sulley and Randy start making out and Mike turns into a third wheel XD (Suitable title for Mike though) I also feel like if Pixar were to make a third MI movie, Randall wouldn't be in it much. But I'm not really for Randall being redeemed. I mean after the whole Scare Games thing, he became pretty obsessed with Sulley and wanted to get payback after all those years. I mean, he probably had so much hatred for him and it just grew and grew as years went on. It's like Vlad from Danny Phantom, if anyone knows about that show. In college, something happened to make him become obsessed with his once best friend and he had so much hatred and wanted to prove he was the better one. I mean, the guy tried to kill him time after time. Randall even tried killing Sulley; in ways those two characters are really alike. That's how I see Randall. So having redemption to me just wouldn't work. And with Mike and Sulley's long friendship, there really is no room for Randall, honestly. lol I don't think he will be in it much, the MU/MI films are marketed mainly with Mike and Sulley as a duo, I don't think they would stray from that path, I am guessing the nexed film will be equally about the two, or they will do another Sulley movie, with the intention of repeating the pattern. I think Randall will be in a new film for the same amount of time as in MU, a small side plot, maybe less. If they wanted to do a three group franchise they missed their opportunity, Randall was never marketed as heavily as Sulley or Mike, and even in the infinity set hes sold with the Villains, I think he may return as the Villain again. I agree with you here, its not that people (or monsters) can't make more friends, its more a marketing thing, Sull and Mike are on everything together, backpacks, notebooks, everything. It would just be an odd strategy for him to be added so late in the game, and all the merch with him being villainy would instantly be out dated.
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 18, 2014 3:40:45 GMT -6
On second thought, since I was hoping you two would leave your thoughts there...
Have you even played Disney Infinity, toxicdolls? I have, and sometimes I think Randy was only labeled as a villain in it because there was no one else in the franchise who was popular. For one, you do NOT fight him at any point in the MU playset, an apparent contrast to other playsets in Disney Infinity. As for the marketing, how much have you seen for MU? Randy is shown for a lot of it, and was FAR more likely to be seen than Johnny.
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