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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 9:26:25 GMT -6
So maybe this is a discussion worth having. I've seen all kind of head canons floating around about what family life was like for Sulley growing up, and then of course there was that deleted scene with Sulley's dad leaving when he was little....
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 14, 2014 12:45:43 GMT -6
My personal headcanon is that Sulley is an only child who was raised by both parents, I don't follow the idea that his father left, I just don't see a guy who was abandoned by his dad being so casual about being compared to him in the MU film, it would also be hard for his dad to run off given hes famous, and the hype surrounding him probably would have died by the time Sulley went to collage. I think he still works at MI, though not for long as he retires before MI.
I think his parents are really supportive and do not mean to put so much pressure on him, but the pressure comes with the name (Unlike the Worthington's who intentionally put pressure on Johnny) I think they would be Christian (or the monster equivalent) but they are not very dogmatic about it, they don't hate homosexuals and basically try to be nice to everyone/not judgmental. I think his parents go to church for the community, but again its a very moderate church. They are rich of course and liked to go to plays/fancy social events. That's all I have so far XD LOL
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Post by Calcilum on Mar 14, 2014 21:53:45 GMT -6
I honestly feel that Sulley's father did leave him at a young age. Personally, I know alot of people who were raised without fathers or have alot going on at home, , are pretty causal about when discussing it with others lol. His personality is a too-far fetched From MU to Mi, so I think its more likely that something like, his father leaving, probably did happen to him at a young age. And I dont think is just rather his parents who particularly put pressure on him, but its most likely his whole family. Like when Hardscrabble said,"Your family will be very disappointed." rather than saying, your father will be disappoint in you or something like that. Maybe Sulley is just a positive person. I wish they would have done his backstory on him, I really have loved to see that because I do get confused at some points about it. As for Worthington, since there really is no information about his family at all, My head canon about him that he was very spoiled at a young age. Rather than pressure being put him, I bet he's one of those people who automatically assumed he was better than others because of his famous name. hmmm.. Well I really dont know, I could be wrong but thats just my opinion
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 14, 2014 22:13:29 GMT -6
I honestly feel that Sulley's father did leave him at a young age. Personally, I know alot of people who were raised without fathers or have alot going on at home, , are pretty causal about when discussing it with others lol. His personality is a too-far fetched From MU to Mi, so I think its more likely that something like, his father leaving, probably did happen to him at a young age. And I dont think is just rather his parents who particularly put pressure on him, but its most likely his whole family. Like when Hardscrabble said,"Your family will be very disappointed." rather than saying, your father will be disappoint in you or something like that. Maybe Sulley is just a positive person. I wish they would have done his backstory on him, I really have loved to see that because I do get confused at some points about it. As for Worthington, since there really is no information about his family at all, My head canon about him that he was very spoiled at a young age. Rather than pressure being put him, I bet he's one of those people who automatically assumed he was better than others because of his famous name. hmmm.. Well I really dont know, I could be wrong but thats just my opinion Lol I guess that could be true, though in the deleted scenes Sulley was an entirely different character from what he ended up being in MU, so I just think basically all the ideas were scrapped, so its all up to the fans head canons. I just think he had a cozy upbringing, if he really had a lot of pressure, and something to prove then I don't think he would have slacked so much, especially if his father left, which means he probably never felt good enough and had some motivation to be the best he could be (to prove his dad wrong for going) As for Johnny I think he was spoiled too, maybe he was spoiled and pampered as a young kid, then everyone started getting harsher and colder as he got older, and really had to step up his game. It was probably hard to impress anyone in his family given the high standards, and I think they might have considered him a sort of protegee destined for greatness that he failed to live up to. I pretty much go with Nathan's interview, where he talks about Johnny's father being hard on him, saying stuff like "I didn't raise a loser" and all that. There was a fan comic where his father said "Its about time you start living up to that Worthington name" which I also accepted as a personal head canon
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Post by autumnnprincess on Mar 15, 2014 2:38:33 GMT -6
My headcanon is that Sulley lived with both parents until he was 6 or 7 or something. I think he was an uplanned only child that his father never really got to know.
His father did want Sulley to be a scarer like him though, and pushed him a lot as a little child - told him to roar at guests during family parties and stuff. As a result of this, Sulley hated scaring, but didn't complain - since the scaring lessons where the only time he could actually spend some time with his dad.
After his dad left, I imagine Sulley suddenly becoming very interested in scaring in order to "become his father" to cheer up his mom. That's when he put on the cocky attitude we see early in MU. Of course the attitude's just there to hide his insecurity.
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Post by BadgerWolf on Mar 15, 2014 3:47:34 GMT -6
Speaking as a guy all but abandoned by his father as a child I'd say Sulley's attitude in MU is entirely possible. I myself, admittedly, became quite conceited as a child. Why? Because my mother over-compensated a lot and never let me forget that I could do anything I wanted if I put my mind to it. Was laying it on so thick the right thing to do? Debatable, but it came from the right place.
I was never as cocky as Sulley but I took my mother's advice entirely the wrong way. I performed very well in school and truly believed the world was open to me without having to put in too much effort. Of course, I was wrong, I've long since learned that. But I can so easily put Sulley in my shoes, and vice versa.
His lax attitude about Scaring and his father is probably both a front and a form of denial. When I first realised 'oh wow, I do need to put in effort' I was still very laid back about it and acted as though it didn't matter, much to my regret. I also convinced myself I didn't care about my father and acted incredibly aloof about it around others. Again, I was wrong on both.
So... yeah. I personally accept the almost-canon idea that Sulley was abandoned by his father mostly for those reasons. (Also, I find a lot of guys raised by a single mother tend to turn out more sensitive and caring as an adult, which I like to think I am, hehehe...) ^_^
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Post by bub26 on Mar 15, 2014 15:00:57 GMT -6
Wow this is an interesting subject and never saw this deleted scene you're talking about but I'll take yourvword for it but maybe Sulley's Mom was trying to help after his father left but yeah his awesome bad boy attitude was probably a front but too bad his father never saw what he became, like the top scared, changing things in their world and run ing Monsters Inc.
Maybe he just doesn't like to talk about it, now I'n getting inspiration to write a story
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Post by polkadots on Mar 15, 2014 15:24:27 GMT -6
Sulley's situation is plausible and tbh, despite his pride for his father I always thought him as a mother's boy. We do have that shout out in MU after all. In the original film we have his mother calling about the advert (she's so proud clearly even if we never hear her speak- and that's adorable).
When there was only the original film I always head canoned Sulley's father having passed on by MI's time- Sulley's relationship with Waternoose almost being a 'stand in'. I still kind of keep to it somewhat now.
Technically Sulley's father abandoning him isn't canon so people can choose not to follow it but it's still a good one. Heh.
Personally I kind of more head canon Sulley's father being well meaning mostly but caught up in Scaring and Sulley's mum did take care of most of the child raising. Sulley's dad in terms of personality in my head made Sulley in MU look meek. (MU!Sulley turned up to eleven). He was well liked- but he was loud and brash. He also was the kind of guy to say things like "Sensitive monsters do not make good scarers." Things Sulley internalised. As well as having a specific idea about how to immediately recognise a good scarer- Johnny also got this from his own father. It's typical sometimes in certain scaring families.
Say for instance though Johnny's prank though. In my own head canon Johnny's real dad is pretty strict (not abusive, but strict and all about appearances) and wouldn't care for the prank because it makes Johnny look childish (also he'd inform Johnny to just back off and keep an eye on Sullivan should he prove himself in anyway- since he's a Sullivan and all that). But Sulley's dad in my head canon- if Johnny was his son instead- would slap Johnny on the back and roar and praise him as if it was the most hilarious thing ever. He's not... cruel but insensitive- more or less Sulley in MU only kind of worse and without the secret vulnerability.
I also head canon the Worthington's and Sullivan's having been related somewhere down the line but you'd have to go very far back- very far back.
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Post by savefearow on Mar 15, 2014 17:39:44 GMT -6
I don't have a set headcanon for Sulley yet. I could see his father leaving, but that would be very sad. I think sometimes parental rejection hurts more a parent passing away.
(I say this because I had a good relationship with my Dad, but he died when I was a teen. They'd already gotten divorced. My mom would alternate between being very distant and very strict and I didn't know what I could do to improve her opinion of me. Things got worse and I ended up leaving home early.)
I would like Sulley to be close or have been close to at least one parent. MI hints at him loving his Mom, she calls him at work and such. MU has Sulley collect scare cards, I believe he has Bill Sullivan's card in his collection? I think maybe Bill tried to love Sulley but wasn't their often enough, couldn't quite figure out how to be a Dad. Maybe he never planned on having kids, thought he could adjust, and then he just couldn't. So he left his wife and I hope there was a proper divorce, no custody battles or anything, just sign your papers and pack your bags. But even that sounds harsh...
I think one of the impressive things about Sulley is how genuinely nice, and sociable, and caring he grew up to be. Whether his Dad was a good role model or not, MI Sulley has an excellent temperment. I think Sulley would make a good Dad. So maybe the happy family he ends up with is one he makes for himself. He might fall in love with somebody or adopt a young monster in crisis.
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Post by hopefulartist on Mar 18, 2014 20:24:03 GMT -6
It is possible that Sulley's dad left him and his mom at a young age or he just didn't really give him much attention as the dad could've been a super busy scarer. There is info from the MU comic that reveals that Bill (his dad) never really taught him any scaring techniques since Sulley is a natural. He does have a closer connection with his mom though as his mom called him from seeing the Monsters Inc. commercial at the beginning. And then when Mike and Sulley wake up in their first morning at the OK house, he randomly yells: "MOM?!?"
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Post by captainzitao on Mar 19, 2014 0:27:37 GMT -6
I don't know about his father leaving, but to me, I like the idea of his father just being too busy with work to do father and son things with him. And working hard at being a scarer was important to him so he can impress his father, thinking that maybe his father would take the time to actually pay attention to him for once.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:23:13 GMT -6
I honestly feel that Sulley's father did leave him at a young age. Personally, I know alot of people who were raised without fathers or have alot going on at home, , are pretty causal about when discussing it with others lol. His personality is a too-far fetched From MU to Mi, so I think its more likely that something like, his father leaving, probably did happen to him at a young age. And I dont think is just rather his parents who particularly put pressure on him, but its most likely his whole family. Like when Hardscrabble said,"Your family will be very disappointed." rather than saying, your father will be disappoint in you or something like that. Maybe Sulley is just a positive person. I wish they would have done his backstory on him, I really have loved to see that because I do get confused at some points about it. As for Worthington, since there really is no information about his family at all, My head canon about him that he was very spoiled at a young age. Rather than pressure being put him, I bet he's one of those people who automatically assumed he was better than others because of his famous name. hmmm.. Well I really dont know, I could be wrong but thats just my opinion There is a tidbit of information on Johnny's family. Sorry if I'm repeating the minor details everyone knows about - if you look up his profile online, it actually gives you the name of his parents and grandfather. Then there's that video where Nathan Fillion talks about Johnny's dad (again, one of the more interesting things I ever picked up on, as far as Johnny's backstory goes!), and in the Essential Guide to MU, I think there's a page where Johnny talks about...family reunions, or something. So, just a tiny bit, that's all we have to go off of!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:26:59 GMT -6
I don't think Sulley's dad left him. I mean yeah, there was a scene in which it shows his dad driving away in the rain, but the director pointed out that they were playing with ideas and still working on a backstory for Sulley; I don't consider it legitimate. The way Sulley talks about his dad (albeit briefly), it doesn't sound like his dad is out of his life, or even away from his mom. If anything, I thinking that Sulley's dad and Johnny's dad probably shared a lot of similarities when it came to raising their sons: they were both notable scarers (I'm assuming that Johnny's dad was a good scarer), they both probably pushed their sons pretty hard (Johnny's dad probably more than Sulley's dad) to be scarers and not let the family reputation down, e.t.c. I imagine Sulley - like he said to Mike - must have ridden the coattails of his family name all his life, and thus didn't believe he needed to work for something he thought he naturally had.
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