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Post by Calcilum on Mar 12, 2014 11:58:55 GMT -6
There's still arguments being made on tumblr about Randall's innocence, I don't want to be rude, but PBL is making people like me and others who like Randall look bad. Ughh does any know if this is ever going to stop?? I saw it reblogged on someones elses blog a minute ago. Why is this even on going? Is there anyway to stop this nonsense??
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Post by chimeramachinations on Mar 12, 2014 12:06:20 GMT -6
Honestly, the best solution would be to ignore her when she goes off like that. It's what I try to do.
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Post by Calcilum on Mar 12, 2014 19:34:53 GMT -6
Yeah This is why I created this board, I know stuff like this is always going to happen. So I wanted to create a forum where fans of MU/MI can express their opinion when ever they want to avoid being attack by haters. its only tumblr where stuff like this occurs sadly..
maybe i'll avoid tumblr a while and stay on here.
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Post by savefearow on Mar 16, 2014 12:43:04 GMT -6
I like tumblr most of the time, but there is definitely drama sometimes. Unfortunately, the Randall Boggs tag is not all about cute art or well-written fanfics or even respectful debates. His topics do get hijacked and turned into "poor sweet baby Randall, Mike is the devil."
I know how frustrating that is. I like Randall alot, his design is so cool and invisibility is such an interesting power. But I also really like Mike and Sulley, and I get tired of hearing how terrible they are or how I'm not a true Randall fan if I like other characters too.
The safer tag is just "Monsters University" or "ROR" or even "MU". I can still find good art that way.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 16, 2014 14:06:43 GMT -6
I like tumblr most of the time, but there is definitely drama sometimes. Unfortunately, the Randall Boggs tag is not all about cute art or well-written fanfics or even respectful debates. His topics do get hijacked and turned into "poor sweet baby Randall, Mike is the devil." I know how frustrating that is. I like Randall alot, his design is so cool and invisibility is such an interesting power. But I also really like Mike and Sulley, and I get tired of hearing how terrible they are or how I'm not a true Randall fan if I like other characters too. The safer tag is just "Monsters University" or "ROR" or even "MU". I can still find good art that way. This is a good way of summing it up! All I will say is just ignore the people that tell you you are not a real Randall fan for liking Sulley and Mike. I've been told that numerous times and it's actually why I left boggsboard for good. Just remember wen they criticize you for liking him as a bad guy or liking the other 2, they're the ones who are not satisfied with the 'real' Randall, they're arguments are ALWAYS about changing him and making him into the 'real' Randall that they think he is not how he is in canon. If they don't like how he is in cannon then how can they say someone else isn't a real fan for liking how is IN canon. Just fyi I'm not saying everyone who thinks Randall should get redemption is a jerk or in the wrong I just think it's ironic that they would chastising someone as a 'fake fan' when they don't even like the way he was portrayed as a character.
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Post by royogrowlahan on Mar 16, 2014 18:28:58 GMT -6
Seriously tho people gotta stop turning Randall into somethings he is not. I personally don't pay attention to the drama tho.
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Post by captainzitao on Mar 16, 2014 18:40:17 GMT -6
Okay, fandoms are supposed to be fun, not stressful. I don't wanna feel bad for liking a character or having my own opinions on them.
Randall has been one of my favorites since the first movie and let's face it, he was meant to be a bad guy in the first movie. That's what Pixar wanted. And it's nice seeing him as Randy in MU, and because I sent in that confession about that small glimpse of Randall during the Scare Games, I got attacked for that. And I think you all might have a hunch about who attacked me. As much as we don't want to admit it, MU is fiction. (Srsly tho, why does it have to be fiction?) And since it's fiction, evil is different than the evil in real life. Randall was drawn to be evil, bottom line. Why do people have to be like, "Poor baby. It wasn't his fault." In way it is. He rather be with the ROR's and have popularity than stay with Mike who actually cared for him. We didn't see much of their friendship in MU, but it's implied and accepted by many that they were friends. That was his mistake; that's what led him to the loss of the Scare Games. Everything fall into place until he's sure that Sulley made sure to have him bomb on his scare.
It really bugs me that we can't enjoy anything without bad seeds.
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Post by hopefulartist on Mar 17, 2014 3:22:10 GMT -6
I know what you mean... What keeps the debate going over and over again about Randall is that there are parts that are open to speculation, like his background, his family, etc. There are little details like his dorm room stuff so we know what his style is like. But there are questions like how did he get invited to ROR? Did he score the highest on his scare final exam? Is his family up in the high society like the Worthingtons? Or were they desperate for a sixth member to compete in the scare games and they happen to bump into Randall after they rejected Sulley when they witnessed him getting kicked out of the scaring program? Even though this movie is not focused on Randall, but on Mike.
Personally in my headcanon, I think Randall had to have gotten a very high score in the final or something along that line that proves he is one of the best scare students with a possible high standard family name background. It's shown they were impressed with his ability as Johnny wanted Randall to demonstrate ("do the thing") as Chet jokes around casually like among friends. ("Oh! Where'd he go?") ROR DOES except the "highly elite" after all. There is a essential guide I have that leaves it open to whether they really wanted him in or they love his ability as an amusement. I think it's both. But again, up to speculation.
There are headcanons that a certain someone seems to passive-aggressively push on to on the headcanons and makes it look like facts. But WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TRUE. All the facts are is what's shown in the movie. That's it. It's fine to share headcanons but you don't...you know kinda debate over it.
It makes me all the more frustrated for a sequel so that we can finally see Randall survived (the Laugh Factory comics are questionable as they could be AU OR canon) and tie up loose ends with Mike and Sulley and maybe working together. (AND GET THOSE DEBATES TO STOP FOR ONCE) I may be too optimistic but it gets me all the more excited about the future!
People think differently. There are those that agree with my headcanons and there are those that disagree with my headcanons, like everybody else in the fandom. And that's OKAY.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:02:22 GMT -6
I fully agree that PBL makes Randy fans look bad; hence, why I left both BB and Tumblr and founded WoC. However, I personally don't believe that the problem is limited to her: some of Randy's haters are also rather outspoken, to put it lightly...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 5:14:06 GMT -6
Okay, fandoms are supposed to be fun, not stressful. I don't wanna feel bad for liking a character or having my own opinions on them. Randall has been one of my favorites since the first movie and let's face it, he was meant to be a bad guy in the first movie. That's what Pixar wanted. And it's nice seeing him as Randy in MU, and because I sent in that confession about that small glimpse of Randall during the Scare Games, I got attacked for that. And I think you all might have a hunch about who attacked me. As much as we don't want to admit it, MU is fiction. (Srsly tho, why does it have to be fiction?) And since it's fiction, evil is different than the evil in real life. Randall was drawn to be evil, bottom line. Why do people have to be like, "Poor baby. It wasn't his fault." In way it is. He rather be with the ROR's and have popularity than stay with Mike who actually cared for him. We didn't see much of their friendship in MU, but it's implied and accepted by many that they were friends. That was his mistake; that's what led him to the loss of the Scare Games. Everything fall into place until he's sure that Sulley made sure to have him bomb on his scare. It really bugs me that we can't enjoy anything without bad seeds. Also, slightly off-topic, but I'm going to have to disagree with you in some ways: I'm not on the "Randall loves to be evil" bandwagon, but I'm leaving it at that because we're both going slightly off topic by debating whether he's pure evil or not. Yes, Monsters is fiction, and it really troubles me that it feels like so few can comprehend that...
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Post by gna on Apr 5, 2014 0:37:56 GMT -6
that you know who person, got in another fight again with someone again on tumblr, lol now where's dat popcorn
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Post by hopefulartist on Apr 5, 2014 1:08:41 GMT -6
This is why I don't tag firsthand Randall Boggs or Monsters University or even Johnny Worthington whenever I go into talking about my views on the scenes and also why I don't voice my opinion on the whole thing about avoid said person. There's ALWAYS a debate and youknowwho may have interesting and well detailed analysis on things about Monsters series on one hand, but this person I just...UGH... I mean, I'm indifferent towards this person but the arrogant attitude against other people who have different opinions and having the absolute need to be this know-it-all fanatic in reply to everything that this fan disagrees with the tracked tags is really, really disturbing.
Every time this happens on tumblr, this is my reaction:
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Post by savefearow on Apr 5, 2014 1:21:41 GMT -6
I feel a little bad arguing with her because when I created a fanfiction/deviantart account, she WAS the first person to ever leave a positive review. But later I learned we did not have many of the same opinions and she would only like my stories or art if they conformed to her headcanons. So it no longer felt special or encouraging to know she had favorited a few things.
I don't feel like that's how writing should be. Sometimes I read stories or watch a movie where what I want or expected did not happen, but they still might have told a good story. I will also add art to my favorites list if I think the drawing is really good, even if they don't feature my favorite characters or pairings, because I believe the artist put effort into their creations and their ideas are valid.
I don't really understand where she is coming from and I wish I could have more productive discussions with her but it's just not happening. I don't like arguing with people, I don't think I'm good at debates, I really ought to leave it alone, but it's hard to ignore MU topics. I thought it was a great movie, I've got some opinions, I'd like to share them and if people disagree I hope we can be respectful.
I can't shake the feeling that I soon as I disagreed with her the first time, I lost what little respect she had for me, and that's disappointing. But I guess I'm always gonna disappoint somebody. *shrugs*
I may follow hopefulartist's lead and stop using/checking the Monsters University tag. Maybe I'll just call tag stuff MU.
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Post by Calcilum on Apr 5, 2014 7:29:07 GMT -6
I feel a little bad arguing with her because when I created a fanfiction/deviantart account, she WAS the first person to ever leave a positive review. But later I learned we did not have many of the same opinions and she would only like my stories or art if they conformed to her headcanons. So it no longer felt special or encouraging to know she had favorited a few things. I don't feel like that's how writing should be. Sometimes I read stories or watch a movie where what I want or expected did not happen, but they still might have told a good story. I will also add art to my favorites list if I think the drawing is really good, even if they don't feature my favorite characters or pairings, because I believe the artist put effort into their creations and their ideas are valid. I don't really understand where she is coming from and I wish I could have more productive discussions with her but it's just not happening. I don't like arguing with people, I don't think I'm good at debates, I really ought to leave it alone, but it's hard to ignore MU topics. I thought it was a great movie, I've got some opinions, I'd like to share them and if people disagree I hope we can be respectful. I can't shake the feeling that I soon as I disagreed with her the first time, I lost what little respect she had for me, and that's disappointing. But I guess I'm always gonna disappoint somebody. *shrugs* I may follow hopefulartist's lead and stop using/checking the Monsters University tag. Maybe I'll just call tag stuff MU. I used to follow her on deviant art and I do remember having some smooth conversations with her. I agree that she can be nice, but you just have to avoid stating your opinion to her. I don't think you should feel disappointed, if she can't accept the fact that there are people who not going to agree with her then that's basically her problem.
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Post by conteremo on Apr 5, 2014 11:06:44 GMT -6
Yeah I saw that argument about the ROR prank. Well, it's not really an argument because the other person just stated an opinion and isn't all involved. In that one I don't agree with PBL tbh, since the prank was an attack against OK plain and simple and imo people just shouldn't be able to get away with being cruel and humiliating people (mostly in real life, in movies it makes things more interesting).
I don't think ROR are evil and I really like Randy and Johnny, but yeah. I just don't understand fans who want to believe and prove that their favorite characters are always in the right and do no wrong and haven't done anything bad, because flaws are what make the characters interesting in the first place. If they actually were perfect nobody would like them (Mike and Sulley included).
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