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Post by polkadots on Mar 16, 2014 12:06:59 GMT -6
Personally I'd just like confirmation that Randall is alive at this stage. Given Boom!comics though whatever they do with him I think they wouldn't confirm him as dead anyway even if the comics aren't full on canon.
I think in terms of revenge Randall would realistically pursue it... if it fell into his lap though. Randall is incredibly spiteful and bitter to start with even before the banishment which would only compound it and he would probably fantasies about it a lot. But I don't think he'd do anything suicidal in order to get it. He's going to keep himself alive first and foremost. If Sulley and Mike ended up in the human world alone with him it could get very ugly (at the very least at first).
I am not opposed to redemption for the guy (hardly, I really like the power trio idea and have for a long time) though it would still be difficult to pull it off too given all that happened. Still if anyone could get it right it would probably be Pixar. If they want to that is.
All in all pretty much all plots are 'cliche' when stripped to their bare bones. Both redemptive and revenge plots- revenge plots more so admittedly (waay more so, there are just more of them at the end of the day), but there can cliches to both and ways they can utterly suck or be done wrong. It's all about how you spin it.
Overall though there was focus on Sulley and Mike's friendship in both movies and I think that should remain somewhat. Granted it was much more important in MU then in MI- but MU added so much to the things we saw in MI too and I'd like a continuation on that. Continue on that and build and expand even more. Mike and Sulley/ Sulley and Boo have the strongest relationships in the monster franchise and both should be expanded on even more if they can. Heck maybe even expand on Mike and Boo's potential friendship/uncle-ship? which really only started at the end of MI.
I'd also kind of like to see if there is backlash to the whole laughter thing though. Like hard ass traditionalists and what not. Plus this was a world built on the idea that emotionally harming human children was perfectly fine- and not just acceptable and something they 'had to do' (though it was important in that area too), but deeply praised: "Scariness is the true measure of a monster". It was considered a great and honourable tradition- to the point that certain families reached very high status because of having so many that are successful in that area.
I think there would be monsters very much against the switch in any case and if the knowledge that human kids aren't actually toxic gets out... there could be very nasty consequences. Granted that might be also too dark, but given the scream extractor plot it's not exactly out there maybe for them to explore (and the fact Waternoose probably at least believed the monster world would come to accept it as what they have to do eventually- or else there would be no point).
Also I'd like to see the CDA again. And Roz even if it's only brief. That is a must.
I would like to see more female characters involved myself- but not an older Boo. Or not too much older anyway.
MU exclusive characters but only as cameos.
Fungus must show up. The little guy has grown on me. Just one scene or something.
There is actually far too many things I want to see and one movie probably wouldn't cover it.
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Post by polkadots on Mar 16, 2014 12:09:35 GMT -6
Well THAT I would be okay with. Obviously Randall isn't going to start out being a nice guy. He's got a lot of crap to work through. And I'd be just fine with him still being a jerk, if just a slightly nicer jerk lol. Oh fully I would be disappointed if they made him some perfect hero, he should totally be like the snarky friend that won't admit that he likes anyone but everyone knows he does. Him and Mike could have some really funny moments I think. Yeah. I think Randall overall should keep his snarky personality even if he's 'redeemed' in any way. Sulley would overall be the closest thing the group would have to a mediator probably but I guess it would take a certain amount of circumstances though for that to happen and he decided to play that role. While Mike holds grudges more, Sulley has cause to be angry too- though he'd probably mostly be for Boo's sake rather than his own.
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Post by royogrowlahan on Mar 16, 2014 12:27:43 GMT -6
I would love to see a third movie that is similar to the comics that were realised post mi. That would be an excellent idea personally.
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Post by savefearow on Mar 17, 2014 16:02:50 GMT -6
There are so many different kinds of stories that could be told with the monsters, it's hard to narrow the focus down to any one thing. Now, I do like some of the Randall fanfic and fanart quite alot, but I also think there is a pretty good chance he died at the end of MI.
So I have this idea (and maybe it's a little ghoulish) but what if he died and they told his story anyway? Like, there could be a funeral or an investigation into his disappearance/death and throughout the movie we learn bits and pieces of Randall's backstory. They could show that he wasn't always terrible (like at the beginning of MU) but still recognize that he did awful things (during MI.) At the end, Randall is not completely redeemed or forgiven, but the audience and some characters in the movie gain sympathy or understanding towards him.
I think it might be neat if Rex Boggs or someone like him was part of the canon, a younger relative of Randall who comes seeking answers from Sulley and Mike. Everybody faces some harsh truths, everybody learns a lesson. I just think it would be interesting and Pixar hasn't yet had a movie where the focus character (Randall) was dead already and their history/viewpoint is fully explored AFTER they died.
I'm sorry if that's too dark. ^^; There are also plenty of stories that could be told with Randall alive, either as a permanent villain, or somebody who gets redeemed somewhat.
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 17, 2014 17:44:18 GMT -6
Hmmm, when I think about this idea more I honestly don't want there to be another film.. mostly because I like where things were left off in MI. I mean it gives the fans so much wiggle room to decide for themselves what happens (Like Sulley/Randall shippers can decide that he comes back, is forgiven and they fall in love) But if another movie came out they might give Sull some sort of love interest, or give Mike children! (It will be Flounder from the littler mermaid having kids all over again!)or maybe Randall will have died! (Not that that will stop shippers lol) No matter what they did in the new movie, one part of the fanbase will end up disappointed. Very good point when it comes to which fans would be satisfied with the next movie. Unfortunately, I do have a contact who said that there was a draft for a Monsters sequel script that was pending review, meaning even if that particular script is rejected, there's a very good chance that there will be a third movie, so I guess every fan may need to just sit, watch, and pray the story goes their way.
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 17, 2014 17:49:14 GMT -6
I'm not bothered who is bad or good I just want to see my 3 monster bbys again.
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Post by Calcilum on Mar 17, 2014 18:01:22 GMT -6
I'm not bothered who is bad or good I just want to see my 3 monster bbys again. lol me too!
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Post by toxicdolls on Mar 17, 2014 18:54:18 GMT -6
Hmmm, when I think about this idea more I honestly don't want there to be another film.. mostly because I like where things were left off in MI. I mean it gives the fans so much wiggle room to decide for themselves what happens (Like Sulley/Randall shippers can decide that he comes back, is forgiven and they fall in love) But if another movie came out they might give Sull some sort of love interest, or give Mike children! (It will be Flounder from the littler mermaid having kids all over again!)or maybe Randall will have died! (Not that that will stop shippers lol) No matter what they did in the new movie, one part of the fanbase will end up disappointed. Very good point when it comes to which fans would be satisfied with the next movie. Unfortunately, I do have a contact who said that there was a draft for a Monsters sequel script that was pending review, meaning even if that particular script is rejected, there's a very good chance that there will be a third movie, so I guess every fan may need to just sit, watch, and pray the story goes their way. That's interesting, What position is the contact in? there are just lots of rumors that go around, its hard to tell if their accurate or just hopeful thinking that got out of hand. I know there was talk about a movie idea for a sequel to MI, that was stripped for a prequel (MU) instead. I would not be surprised if they made another, it seems Pixar is less intrested in making new, unique content and is more intrested in squeezing all the money they can from franchises they already made. I understand the fear that goes into making a brand new product (people don't recognize it, so they wont go to see it) but I think Pixar has a good enough name that if anyone can get away with making money off new ideas its them. I think everyone will be a little disappointed in their own ways lol
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Post by AnthroOphidian on Mar 17, 2014 18:56:48 GMT -6
My contact is actually just a friend. However, he did speak to one of the guys at the Monsters Inc Laugh Floor attraction, which is where he got the info.
I do agree when it comes to their other franchises: honestly, I felt Toy Story 2 should've ended those movies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 18:58:46 GMT -6
Well THAT I would be okay with. Obviously Randall isn't going to start out being a nice guy. He's got a lot of crap to work through. And I'd be just fine with him still being a jerk, if just a slightly nicer jerk lol. Oh fully I would be disappointed if they made him some perfect hero, he should totally be like the snarky friend that won't admit that he likes anyone but everyone knows he does. Him and Mike could have some really funny moments I think. Huh. That's a good point. After all, personally, I liked Sulley and Mike better in MU because you saw more of there flaws, and flaws make a more believable and relatable character. I think Randall should be a good guy in a potential sequel, but if he was absolutely perfect, it wouldn't make much sense to me. I always pictured a third movie about Sulley and Mike having something to do with an older, more mature boo, while in the meantime Randall is trying to survive the human world, and eventually they meet up and after probably a little arguing they all agree to look for boo together. And having Randall be a snarky bastard with a soft side would be pretty funny ^H^
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Post by Calcilum on Mar 17, 2014 19:04:50 GMT -6
Oh fully I would be disappointed if they made him some perfect hero, he should totally be like the snarky friend that won't admit that he likes anyone but everyone knows he does. Him and Mike could have some really funny moments I think. Huh. That's a good point. After all, personally, I liked Sulley and Mike better in MU because you saw more of there flaws, and flaws make a more believable and relatable character. I think Randall should be a good guy in a potential sequel, but if he was absolutely perfect, it wouldn't make much sense to me. I always pictured a third movie about Sulley and Mike having something to do with an older, more mature boo, while in the meantime Randall is trying to survive the human world, and eventually they meet up and after probably a little arguing they all agree to look for boo together. And having Randall be a snarky bastard with a soft side would be pretty funny ^H^ A third movie about that would be just perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 19:11:46 GMT -6
You Really think so, cuz honestly, I havn't really figured out a reason for why Randall would actually help them, that's just how I pictured it in my head *shrug*
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 17, 2014 19:29:10 GMT -6
You Really think so, cuz honestly, I havn't really figured out a reason for why Randall would actually help them, that's just how I pictured it in my head *shrug* I've actually thought about that a LOT. And here's what I've come up with; Maybe Sulley and Mike go to the human world after finding her missing from her old bedroom. They go through a new door to where they think she may be ( Who knows maybe the new villain told them that she was tracked to this door and then sabatoges the door to make sure they don't come back) They find Randall and by now he's caught on to the tricks of surviving in the human world so in agreement they ask him to help them survive back to a door they know will be active and in return they let him come back with them. I hope that all made sense. The tear jerky bit could be he starts to trust them and gets worried that when they eventually do make it back he's gonna be thrown straight in jail, Sulley promises he won't let that happen and then when they do get back despite his best efforts Randall gets taken to jail making him untrusting again until he needs to help them with the new bad guy ( he still cares for them after their adventure in the human world) Que Randall jail break he goes to help Sulley and Mike maybe Boo with CDA/cops following him and the bad guy is stopped/arrested. The CDA/cops see that Randall isn't an asshole and Sulley manages to convince them that he shouldn't be jailed/re banished. Sulley goes back to being CEO, Mike is a comedia....... Randall opens a cake shop called 'Be my pal cupcakes'...LOL that's a joke but it could be cute. I'm sure none of that made sense but I'm a very bored person and have thought about this junk waaaaaayyyyy to much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 19:45:27 GMT -6
I think that's great and I understood all of it, I kinda want to add on to this. Considering that Sulley was pretty lazy in MU, he's not really use to having a lot of responsibility and decided he would downgrade so he could help Mike with his laughs and let someone else run the show. So the MI board hires this guy who is a real hardass despite working in a laugh factory. Everyone in the factory is really intimidated by him, except Mike and Sulley, who still try to make the work place fun. Irritated, the bossman tries to get them fired, but the board won't let him because they are one of the best works in the buisness, so he banishes them instead and tries to make it look like it was an accident. And then you pretty much covered the rest But I have to say for Randall, I always thought he would make a great laugher. To let you in on my little secret, I always thought that if he did come back, he could work as a laugher for babies by playing peck-a-boo with them since he can turn invisible and stuff :T
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Post by number1scarer on Mar 17, 2014 19:56:17 GMT -6
I think that's great and I understood all of it, I kinda want to add on to this. Considering that Sulley was pretty lazy in MU, he's not really use to having a lot of responsibility and decided he would downgrade so he could help Mike with his laughs and let someone else run the show. So the MI board hires this guy who is a real hardass despite working in a laugh factory. Everyone in the factory is really intimidated by him, except Mike and Sulley, who still try to make the work place fun. Irritated, the bossman tries to get them fired, but the board won't let him because they are one of the best works in the buisness, so he banishes them instead and tries to make it look like it was an accident. And then you pretty much covered the rest But I have to say for Randall, I always thought he would make a great laugher. To let you in on my little secret, I always thought that if he did come back, he could work as a laugher for babies by playing peck-a-boo with them since he can turn invisible and stuff :T Thats a good idea! Also the peek a boo thing is fricking adorable. I did have another idea for what their jobs would be in the end but it involves Sulley still being a CEO. Basically I was thinking maybe near the end of the movie Randall makes a flippant comment about it's a shame no one scares anymore as some kids are real brats (Kind of like how Mike puts the idea for laugh energy in Sulleys head without even realizing). So Sulley makes 2 floors one a laugh floor for nice kids and the other a scare floor for mean bullies (Maybe the nasty kid from toy story could make a cameo lol) Mike works as the number 1 comedian Randall as a scarer again (He finally gets to be number 1) and Sulley as a big successful CEO. If Randall did become a comedian though it would be so funny to see him getting trained by Mike or Fungus, I doubt he would be to enthusiastic haha I have way to many ideas unfortunately I rarely get to let them out as I don't do fanfiction.
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