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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 21:20:34 GMT -6
Just want to pose a question to you all that I've been wondering ever since MU came out in theaters: How do you think Johnny would have reacted to Sulley being the new CEO of Monsters Inc? Even though Johnny works at Fear Co. no doubt all of Monstropolis heard the big change that happened at Monsters Inc. Also, what are your thoughts on Johnny and the revolution in obtaining energy? Does Fear Co. still use screaming to get their energy, or do you think they also changed their ways? And if they have, would Johnny agree to throw away everything he strived for just to make himself compatible with the chances, or would he quit his job? Shoot.
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Post by savefearow on Apr 13, 2014 11:23:07 GMT -6
I think Fear Co. would have to change it's name to Fun Co. or something if it switched to laugh energy. Personally, I like to think that Fear Co. stays a scream factory, because otherwise scary monsters who can't or won't adapt to laugh energy would be out of a job. I'd like there to be at least one major factory where scarers could still seek employment.
But if Fear Co. ever did stop scaring, I see Johnny quitting. He's all about image and I can't picture him collecting laughter. He would find it too humiliating.
(As a kid, the switch to laugh energy was THE main thing about MI that bugged me. I knew that twist was coming as soon as Boo's laugh overloaded the power the first time but I kept hoping I was wrong. I like monsters, I like being scared now and then, and most comedians really annoy me. I'm not the kind of girl who can sit through Tosh 2.0 or Borat or Anchorman.
In my opinion, monsters SHOULD be scary. That's what makes them fun. If one came into my room and started roaring, as a kid I might have panicked at first, but then I would have looked forward to maybe seeing the creature again. If a monster came in and started juggling or throwing cream pies like some demented clown, out you go pal. I ain't dealing with that.)
If everybody switches to laugh energy, then scarers are forced to conform or quit. MU makes that worse, because being a scarer WAS Mike's dream, and if laughter takes over screams permanently, Mike has prevented every other young monster who wanted to be scary but wasn't old enough to seek employment from ever reaching that dream. Harsh.
Additionally, laugh energy seems to be more powerful and possibly less stable than screams. Boo was causing massive power surges at Monsters, Inc. What if they'd been a hospital instead or a nursing home, places where a steady power supply is a necessity. What about delicate equipment like computers? Too much energy WILL overload it, even surge protectors can't always protect them.
Maybe laugh energy would work best for cars or other items that need a great deal of power, but more sensitive machines should be run off the old scream energy, which was proven safe- to monsters anyway- and effective.
Out-of-universe there is the audience reaction. MU I think only made scaring more interesting, by introducing famous scares like Dean Hardscrabble and Frank McCay, spotlighting a college that specialized in scaring, making us root for Oozma Kappa to win a competition where scariness directly impacted their scores, etc.
I can't be the only one who would find a return to "Laugh Factory" MI dull after that, and would worry Hardscrabble and Knight got forced into early retirement, or that the old scaring heroes would become pariahs if monster culture continued to shift away from scaring humans. Would they even publish scare cards anymore? Would Mike and Sulley's scare card collection be permanently devalued? What about the workers at THOSE factories, if scare memorabilia is worthless, they'll be out of work too. :/
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Post by toxicdolls on Apr 13, 2014 17:13:11 GMT -6
I would assume that Disney would just have all the monsters easily convert to laughers (At MI thats what seemed to happen in the end, since they were all the same monsters there) But in reality it would have put some out, it does suck but these things happen and if they can't adjust then they would need to find a new job, maybe go back to school like Don did. Theres a saying from an evolutionary standpoint that survival is based on how well you can adapt, its the same here, if Johnny has to much pride to be a laugh worker, then he wont survive in the industry.
I have a few theories here, one is that Johnny's father (who in my head canon was head of Fear Co/ had more of a business job, but for reasons (Either sickness or death) he could not work anymore, and Johnny took over, Like Waternoose he would do anything to keep his company going, but unlike Waternoose knew of laugh energy (by hearing about it from MI) So he would convert to that, he would not be a laughter, hes a CEO which meant he doesn't need to humiliate himself by cracking jokes to kids. Or he would quite, Maybe become homeless, maybe Sulley would take pity on him and get him some sort of job at MI? probably around Business (or he could work in the mail room, uh oh, Irony!) Or after becoming desperate he gives laughter a shot and accepts that that's how life is now.
Maybe his father dies and Johnny gets a lot of money from it, and he ends up quitting his job years before the events of MI even happen. It explains why Johnny is not in the running with Randall and Sulley for the record in MI (I refuse to think they got better then him, I think they got as good, and at one point it was a race between the three, but he must have taken time off at some point in the ten years and was never able to make up for the lost time, or he left scaring before the record could be broken)
Or he quits, and the rest of his life is the Wolf of wall street movie XD (I could see Johnny being a shady investor) as a result he becoming a multimillion air, richer then he would have gotten in scaring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:08:20 GMT -6
I think Fear Co. would have to change it's name to Fun Co. or something if it switched to laugh energy. Personally, I like to think that Fear Co. stays a scream factory, because otherwise scary monsters who can't or won't adapt to laugh energy would be out of a job. I'd like there to be at least one major factory where scarers could still seek employment. But if Fear Co. ever did stop scaring, I see Johnny quitting. He's all about image and I can't picture him collecting laughter. He would find it too humiliating. (As a kid, the switch to laugh energy was THE main thing about MI that bugged me. I knew that twist was coming as soon as Boo's laugh overloaded the power the first time but I kept hoping I was wrong. I like monsters, I like being scared now and then, and most comedians really annoy me. I'm not the kind of girl who can sit through Tosh 2.0 or Borat or Anchorman. In my opinion, monsters SHOULD be scary. That's what makes them fun. If one came into my room and started roaring, as a kid I might have panicked at first, but then I would have looked forward to maybe seeing the creature again. If a monster came in and started juggling or throwing cream pies like some demented clown, out you go pal. I ain't dealing with that.) If everybody switches to laugh energy, then scarers are forced to conform or quit. MU makes that worse, because being a scarer WAS Mike's dream, and if laughter takes over screams permanently, Mike has prevented every other young monster who wanted to be scary but wasn't old enough to seek employment from ever reaching that dream. Harsh. Additionally, laugh energy seems to be more powerful and possibly less stable than screams. Boo was causing massive power surges at Monsters, Inc. What if they'd been a hospital instead or a nursing home, places where a steady power supply is a necessity. What about delicate equipment like computers? Too much energy WILL overload it, even surge protectors can't always protect them. Maybe laugh energy would work best for cars or other items that need a great deal of power, but more sensitive machines should be run off the old scream energy, which was proven safe- to monsters anyway- and effective. Out-of-universe there is the audience reaction. MU I think only made scaring more interesting, by introducing famous scares like Dean Hardscrabble and Frank McCay, spotlighting a college that specialized in scaring, making us root for Oozma Kappa to win a competition where scariness directly impacted their scores, etc. I can't be the only one who would find a return to "Laugh Factory" MI dull after that, and would worry Hardscrabble and Knight got forced into early retirement, or that the old scaring heroes would become pariahs if monster culture continued to shift away from scaring humans. Would they even publish scare cards anymore? Would Mike and Sulley's scare card collection be permanently devalued? What about the workers at THOSE factories, if scare memorabilia is worthless, they'll be out of work too. :/ Same here, I'd hope there'd be at least one company that still scares in Monstropolis. And yeah, I definitely see Johnny quitting, I just can't see him going to make kids laugh after everything he was brought up to be. It's true, a lot of comedy isn't really funny, imo. I think if they were going to resort to making kids laugh at the end of MI, they should have at least changed up the comedy a little - the monsters looked more like entertainers and circus performers than comedians. But, I guess the folks who decided that didn't think it was worth putting too much thought into, as the audience would have gotten the point. I wasn't so much bothered by the end of MI, until I saw Monsters University and was kinda thinking in the back of my head the whole time "these poor monsters are gonna have all their hard work flushed down the toilet." Which hopefully isn't true, if there are still scare companies! You bring up a lot of good and interesting points. For me, it keeps coming back to all the effort we saw put into scaring in MU. The end of MI didn't seem that horrible, but when you watch MU, you get caught up in the thrill of being a scarer, and it's kinda disappointing to think, at the end, (at least at MI) that they're all being funny instead of scary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:11:34 GMT -6
I would assume that Disney would just have all the monsters easily convert to laughers (At MI thats what seemed to happen in the end, since they were all the same monsters there) But in reality it would have put some out, it does suck but these things happen and if they can't adjust then they would need to find a new job, maybe go back to school like Don did. Theres a saying from an evolutionary standpoint that survival is based on how well you can adapt, its the same here, if Johnny has to much pride to be a laugh worker, then he wont survive in the industry. I have a few theories here, one is that Johnny's father (who in my head canon was head of Fear Co/ had more of a business job, but for reasons (Either sickness or death) he could not work anymore, and Johnny took over, Like Waternoose he would do anything to keep his company going, but unlike Waternoose knew of laugh energy (by hearing about it from MI) So he would convert to that, he would not be a laughter, hes a CEO which meant he doesn't need to humiliate himself by cracking jokes to kids. Or he would quite, Maybe become homeless, maybe Sulley would take pity on him and get him some sort of job at MI? probably around Business (or he could work in the mail room, uh oh, Irony!) Or after becoming desperate he gives laughter a shot and accepts that that's how life is now. Maybe his father dies and Johnny gets a lot of money from it, and he ends up quitting his job years before the events of MI even happen. It explains why Johnny is not in the running with Randall and Sulley for the record in MI (I refuse to think they got better then him, I think they got as good, and at one point it was a race between the three, but he must have taken time off at some point in the ten years and was never able to make up for the lost time, or he left scaring before the record could be broken) Or he quits, and the rest of his life is the Wolf of wall street movie XD (I could see Johnny being a shady investor) as a result he becoming a multimillion air, richer then he would have gotten in scaring. Also true - I could see some of the scarier monsters going back to school to learn a new profession, rather than be a comedian. Lol, that's a good point, Johnny being fine with laugh energy as long as he's not the one doing it. XD Oh...I always thought that top scarers were measured only within the confines of that company. That Sulley was the top scarer, but just at MI - and that we never get to see who Fear Co.'s top scarer is, because we never saw the company itself.
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