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Post by conteremo on Apr 4, 2014 10:28:04 GMT -6
It's very hard for most things to live up to the kind of hype Frozen is getting, let's just say that. I thought it was cute and entertaining but not THAT good. Elsa wasn't in there enough Imo, Olaf wasn't really necessary, and the trolls were just there to shift the plot in necessary directions (strike fear in Elsa's heart so that later on she'd run away, and then suddenly causing them to realize how Elsa can control her powers).
I didn't buy into Anna's romance with Kristoff at all, they didn't know each other any longer than she knew Hans lol. The reindeer was like Maximus from Tangled only not as developed. The animation was weird at times (I was worried I was the only one who thought this but then my brother saw it too and remarked, "The animation's so weird," during Elsa's coronation so I'm not the only one!) The songs were good, but they're easy to tire of, thus making the rewatch value go down imo.
The movie just isn't that unique even compared to other Disney princess movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 16:44:48 GMT -6
It's very hard for most things to live up to the kind of hype Frozen is getting, let's just say that. I thought it was cute and entertaining but not THAT good. Elsa wasn't in there enough Imo, Olaf wasn't really necessary, and the trolls were just there to shift the plot in necessary directions (strike fear in Elsa's heart so that later on she'd run away, and then suddenly causing them to realize how Elsa can control her powers). I didn't buy into Anna's romance with Kristoff at all, they didn't know each other any longer than she knew Hans lol. The reindeer was like Maximus from Tangled only not as developed. The animation was weird at times (I was worried I was the only one who thought this but then my brother saw it too and remarked, "The animation's so weird," during Elsa's coronation so I'm not the only one!) The songs were good, but they're easy to tire of, thus making the rewatch value go down imo. The movie just isn't that unique even compared to other Disney princess movies. I completely agree with everything your saying, but I personally thought that Anna's relationship with Kristoff was a bit more realistic since I think they spent a little bit more time together. Plus, they didn't get married in the end like Anna was going to go through with Hans. For all we know they were probably just dating, which could happen in their given amount of time they spent together.
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Post by toxicdolls on Apr 7, 2014 19:28:08 GMT -6
I actually prefer frozen to MU. MU didn't really impress me as much as I hoped, it was really good but I preferred monsters.inc and I think a sequel would have been much better and probably have won more awards tbh. I agree with you.
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Post by toxicdolls on Apr 7, 2014 19:34:12 GMT -6
Frozen was a better movie, both critically and plot wise. I think the MU fans are forgetting that the fans of Frozen are not very different from us; They are in a diff fan base, but just as dedicated/obsessed, just like we would all vote for MU they will all vote for Frozen, so its not something we should be angry about, I see where they are coming from.
When you look at the movies that came out with it, its no shock Frozen is winning everything, its up against Cloudy, Despicable me and MU, Which are all sequels/prequel. As much as we love MU, its just another cliched collage movie, and since we saw Monster Inc we already knew the movies ultimate outcome, so it was made even more pointless then a sequel would have been. Frozen may not be perfect, or even one of Disney's best, it was just simply better then the movies it was up against, its competition was weak.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 19:47:39 GMT -6
Frozen was a better movie, both critically and plot wise. I think the MU fans are forgetting that the fans of Frozen are not very different from us; They are in a diff fan base, but just as dedicated/obsessed, just like we would all vote for MU they will all vote for Frozen, so its not something we should be angry about, I see where they are coming from. When you look at the movies that came out with it, its no shock Frozen is winning everything, its up against Cloudy, Despicable me and MU, Which are all sequels/prequel. As much as we love MU, its just another cliched collage movie, and since we saw Monster Inc we already knew the movies ultimate outcome, so it was made even more pointless then a sequel would have been. Frozen may not be perfect, or even one of Disney's best, it was just simply better then the movies it was up against, its competition was weak. You might be right. I watched it for like the third time last night so my family could all see it, and I realized that the more I watch it, the more I find that it could actually be better than any of the others, which sucks for me cuz I'm not into a lot of mainstream things XD But anyway, yeah, I think what I like most about it is how deep and unexpected it is. MU was a prequels, so most of the things in that movie were fairly predictable, to an extent.
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Post by conteremo on Apr 8, 2014 19:31:33 GMT -6
You do have a point about the competition and how the fact that the others were prequels/sequels cemented Frozen's win on this, but I disagree that Frozen is objectively better than MU at least. I just don't think Frozen is that good, period. Entertaining, yes, but ultimately not very deep. I just felt like there was a lot of lost potential, a lack of character development, many cliches, and that certain parts were just padding (Olaf and the Troll song). I would rather have had more character development and complexity than those parts tbh. And the Hans bit was too rushed imo.
Even superficially, the animation was awkward at times (my brother agrees with me on this at least, but he's the only one other than me who pointed it out), and visually MU tops Frozen by a mile. MU has a lot of hidden nuggets, and I admittedly was meh about it on first viewing (due to loving MI so much) but the more I watched it the more details I noticed and the more I loved it. I feel like even the characters that didn't get a lot of screen time had solid characterization and motivations, and of course more so with the main characters. Frozen was the opposite--I really liked it the first time, but after my second viewing I was already underwhelmed. You could say that Frozen has a good twist at the end, what with the prince being bad and Anna saving her sister, but MU had a nice moral and good twist as well--the protagonists didn't win as expected, Mike and Sulley were booted from MU, Mike never became a scarer, and in a way the antagonists were proven right...to an extent.
Yeah, one has some typical college stuff, but the other has some typical Disney princess stuff. I just thought that MU had a lot more worthwhile content and meaning jam-packed in those 2 hours than Frozen did, and all without as much padding (and songs).
Ultimately, Frozen is very low on my personal list of top Disney films, but by no means the lowest, and when it comes to Pixar I like Brave better--it's a more unique princess film about a touching mother/daughter relationship that went more in-depth in the relationship than Frozen did with the sister relationship--and Brave is near the bottom of my personal Pixar list. The beginning of Frozen was very good, but the rest of the movie just didn't live up to it. It was pretty disappointing because of that.
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Post by toxicdolls on Apr 9, 2014 21:14:09 GMT -6
You do have a point about the competition and how the fact that the others were prequels/sequels cemented Frozen's win on this, but I disagree that Frozen is objectively better than MU at least. I just don't think Frozen is that good, period. Entertaining, yes, but ultimately not very deep. I just felt like there was a lot of lost potential, a lack of character development, many cliches, and that certain parts were just padding (Olaf and the Troll song). I would rather have had more character development and complexity than those parts tbh. And the Hans bit was too rushed imo. Even superficially, the animation was awkward at times (my brother agrees with me on this at least, but he's the only one other than me who pointed it out), and visually MU tops Frozen by a mile. MU has a lot of hidden nuggets, and I admittedly was meh about it on first viewing (due to loving MI so much) but the more I watched it the more details I noticed and the more I loved it. I feel like even the characters that didn't get a lot of screen time had solid characterization and motivations, and of course more so with the main characters. Frozen was the opposite--I really liked it the first time, but after my second viewing I was already underwhelmed. You could say that Frozen has a good twist at the end, what with the prince being bad and Anna saving her sister, but MU had a nice moral and good twist as well--the protagonists didn't win as expected, Mike and Sulley were booted from MU, Mike never became a scarer, and in a way the antagonists were proven right...to an extent. Yeah, one has some typical college stuff, but the other has some typical Disney princess stuff. I just thought that MU had a lot more worthwhile content and meaning jam-packed in those 2 hours than Frozen did, and all without as much padding (and songs). Ultimately, Frozen is very low on my personal list of top Disney films, but by no means the lowest, and when it comes to Pixar I like Brave better--it's a more unique princess film about a touching mother/daughter relationship that went more in-depth in the relationship than Frozen did with the sister relationship--and Brave is near the bottom of my personal Pixar list. The beginning of Frozen was very good, but the rest of the movie just didn't live up to it. It was pretty disappointing because of that. Of course Frozen is not perfect, and I do see many faults in it, but to say MU compares would just be personal bies. Critics, audiences everywhere adore frozen for a reason, its not like the MU fans just posses greater movie opinions then the rest of the world, but I do not believe that Quantity = Quality either, but in this case even people who dedicate their lives to bashing bad movies/reviewing movies, and are huge movie buffs all seem to agree that Frozen was a better movie, I don't think that is coincidence. Frozen took the stariotipical Disney ending (true loves kiss) and did something new with it, which surprised the audience, and I wont say the whole 'prince charming is actually evil' is a new thing (Gaston for example) but it is the only movie that actually played him as nice until the twist ending. As for Olaf, he was actually used well in the movie, I didn't care for the trolls, but Olaf could have been a lot worse, and for a kids movie a comic relief is important. I wont say the movie was revolutionary, but MU didn't do anything all to deep either (Aside maybe Mike not getting his dream, which we already knew would happen, Collage movies about the geeks/underdogs tropes topping the preppy/popular campus king tropes are a dim a dozen. (Also I do not believe song numbers in movies are bad, 'Let it go' was catchy as hell, which is the goal of a song in today's society, stick in the listeners head) I disagree that Brave is better then Frozen, if only because Brave felt like two different movies (First half about arranged marriage, second about a bear) while Frozen at least felt like one movie. But I don't have any real problems with Brave, like Frozen and MU I did enjoy it. Again, these are just our two opinions, but on a critical level Frozen is considered a better movie by people who make careers out of judging movies, I don't think their is a conspiracy to keep MU down, I just think that even though you and I enjoyed MU more, Frozen is a favorite to the majority for a reason.
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Post by conteremo on Apr 9, 2014 21:39:58 GMT -6
Yeah, with the critics thing, I suppose that's just the way it is and I can't do anything about it . I do agree about MU not being very original because of the college underdogs theme, and that's part of the reason I didn't like it much on my first viewing, but I still don't think Frozen was any better in that department. I suppose that's why its success and positive reception just boggles my mind. I didn't feel like there was enough depth to Anna/Elsa's relationship throughout most of the film (in fact, the majority of Anna's relationships in the film revolved around males, whether it be Hans, the snowman, Kristoff, the reindeer; even the shopkeeper, the snow golem, and the old devious man she was forced to dance with). Even when she finally reconciled with her sister and hugged her, she was staring at Kristoff instead lol. That's part of why I personally prefer Brave, because it executed a relationship between two female family members much better and managed to have decent male characters without them "getting in the way," if you will. EDIT: Oh, I don't hate songs in films either, on the contrary I have always loved musicals since I was a child. I used to be obsessed with The Phantom of the Opera, Repo! The Genetic Opera, and used to be in the Les Miserables fandom (both movie and book)...On a side note, the Les Miserables fandom was a very vicious place, js, it had a lot of crazies...Anyhow, I just believed that some of the songs around the end of Frozen were unnecessary, especially the troll song. Olaf's too, but if you take the side that comic relief is necessary, then less so, but I still think the time those two songs took up could have been better spent to the movie's benefit.
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Post by Calcilum on Apr 9, 2014 22:41:57 GMT -6
You do have a point about the competition and how the fact that the others were prequels/sequels cemented Frozen's win on this, but I disagree that Frozen is objectively better than MU at least. I just don't think Frozen is that good, period. Entertaining, yes, but ultimately not very deep. I just felt like there was a lot of lost potential, a lack of character development, many cliches, and that certain parts were just padding (Olaf and the Troll song). I would rather have had more character development and complexity than those parts tbh. And the Hans bit was too rushed imo. Even superficially, the animation was awkward at times (my brother agrees with me on this at least, but he's the only one other than me who pointed it out), and visually MU tops Frozen by a mile. MU has a lot of hidden nuggets, and I admittedly was meh about it on first viewing (due to loving MI so much) but the more I watched it the more details I noticed and the more I loved it. I feel like even the characters that didn't get a lot of screen time had solid characterization and motivations, and of course more so with the main characters. Frozen was the opposite--I really liked it the first time, but after my second viewing I was already underwhelmed. You could say that Frozen has a good twist at the end, what with the prince being bad and Anna saving her sister, but MU had a nice moral and good twist as well--the protagonists didn't win as expected, Mike and Sulley were booted from MU, Mike never became a scarer, and in a way the antagonists were proven right...to an extent. Yeah, one has some typical college stuff, but the other has some typical Disney princess stuff. I just thought that MU had a lot more worthwhile content and meaning jam-packed in those 2 hours than Frozen did, and all without as much padding (and songs). Ultimately, Frozen is very low on my personal list of top Disney films, but by no means the lowest, and when it comes to Pixar I like Brave better--it's a more unique princess film about a touching mother/daughter relationship that went more in-depth in the relationship than Frozen did with the sister relationship--and Brave is near the bottom of my personal Pixar list. The beginning of Frozen was very good, but the rest of the movie just didn't live up to it. It was pretty disappointing because of that. I agree with you on this one. I re-watched frozen 4 times, trying to see if I missed anything. But I didn't. The first time I heard about it being amazing, I was so eager to see it, but once I saw it in theaters, I asked myself, "did i miss anything? Was this really the same movie people were calling almost as great as the lion king? The movie just seemed so rushed... it took me the 3rd attempt of watching it just to realize that Anna's and Elsa parents died in the beginning lol. In my opinion, there is no emotion or depth, not enough character development, and the plot was just mehh..But I do enjoy Elsa as a character, just wished they explored her more instead of focusing on Anna. Im not saying that Frozen is terrible, it's just that, the pacing was just plain bad..MU felt a whole hour longer than Frozen, despite the fact that Frozen was actually 4 minutes longer. But I do give it credit for the awesome songs,especially the duet with Elsa and Anna. I LOVED the first time in forever song, but I feel like that s the only reason why I keep coming back to the movie. Due to Elsa, and the songs, that is it. Everything else just bored me. While it had a great premise, It was just wasn't explored to it's fullest potential.
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